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Bob Peel, MVP 8/6/2008 8:14 AM PST
   
  We have been asked to post the following by the MS Money Team.

Annual Release Change
.. Microsoft Money Plus continues to be a valuable tool for our customers;
however the feedback we are hearing is that the incremental updates to the
software don't merit a new product every year. Given this, we have decided
against releasing a 2009 version of Money Plus.
.. We are moving off of an annual release cycle for Microsoft Money Plus (no
Money 2009 version in the fall), with future release dates TBD. Money Plus
continues to be a valuable tool for our customers, however the feedback we
are hearing loud and clear is that, after 17 years in the market, the
incremental updates to the software don't merit a new product release every
year. Given this, we have decided against releasing a 2009 version of Money
Plus.
100% Online distribution (out of the packaging business and physical retail
store shelves)
.. More and more retail consumers are going online to shop the endless rows
of digital shelves. In response to our retail partners' needs, consumer
behavior and business efficiencies, Microsoft is focusing distribution
efforts for Microsoft Money Plus software online via download and
discontinuing traditional box sales of the software at retail.
.. Microsoft Money Plus will continue to be available at retail outlets while
supplies last. We have stopped shipping new product to retail outlets.
.. We have been listening to our customers and analyzing market trends and
business dynamics and feel that distribution the software product online
will provide our customers with the right mix of products and services that
will meet their needs.
.. The combination of Money Plus and MSN Money will continue to provide a
comprehensive source for our customer's money and personal finance needs.
Through the various tools and tight integration with the site, Money Plus
customers can get a complete view of their finances, understand what bills
have been paid and which are due, access stock information and tap into the
extensive list of financial experts on MSN Money for tips and guidance.

Overall
.. Is this a sign that you are getting out of the packaged PC consumer
software business overall?
o Microsoft does not see shrink wrapped software going away anytime soon and
we are always talking to customers about different ways to price and package
our software offerings. The company is evolving its strategy and product
solutions to meet customer demand and optimize business efficiencies.

.. What is your goal with moving to this download-only model? How have retail
partners responded?
o Our goal is to deliver products the way our retail partners and consumers
are demanding. Retailers are asking for more ways to work with us on the
digital distribution of Microsoft Money, so many are excited about the
additional flexibility the Web offers. This move means that our retailers
can provide more inventory of our products, but require less physical space
to manage inventory.



--
Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For unofficial FAQs see
http://money.mvps.org/
or
http://umpmfaq.info/

I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

 
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Dick Watson  8/6/2008 9:19 AM PST
   
  Note that the most hopeful and insightful thing they said about future
versions of the standalone software application we all know as Microsoft
Money is "with future release dates TBD". Bob, is that more or less what they
said in the UK when M05 was, uhh, passed over?

Re. "incremental updates to the software don't merit a new product release
every
year"--I think what they are willfully missing is that the customer feedback
was as much or more a comment on the nature of the "incremental updates" on
offer as on the release schedule for these "updates". But then we get back to
the business case for investing more than they've been investing in the
"incremental updates" they've been doing.

If Money had even 1/1,000th of the annual revenue of Office and anywhere
near 1/1,000th the new development budget, they just might develop a serious
"update" that wasn't so marginally incremental.

And so it goes...

"Bob Peel, MVP" wrote:

> We have been asked to post the following by the MS Money Team.
 
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Kocureq 8/6/2008 9:32 AM PST
   
  Dick Watson pisze:

> Re. "incremental updates to the software don't merit a new product release
> every year"

The good thing is that we won't have new data format every year, so my
Pocket PC counterpart for Money will be always working.


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sugna 8/6/2008 10:41 AM PST
   
  Can someone please translate the Microsoft announcement! Is there a new
version or not, will it be able to carry out the background banking just
stopped on 2004?

What is Money Plus? is that a UK edition?

Why is this piece of brilliant software managed in such a muddled way?

Maybe its just me..................
 
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Dick Watson  8/6/2008 10:53 AM PST
   
  I can give you partial translation.

Money Plus is the version that came out about a year ago this time. It is
available in the US but has limited or no availability outside the US. Prior
trends would have suggested they'd name it Money 2008. But they didn't.
Perhaps today's indirect announcement indicates why.

There is no new software at this time and the best they offer for new
software at some point in the future is "TBD".

Money Plus will continue to support the online interfaces until, IIRC,
around this time next year. What will happen then is TBD but the "Online
Services Policy" added in M+ suggests the possibility of a service offering
at some point in the future. This would suggest a pay subscription model to
continue M+ online functionality. Nothing like this has been announced.

I'm not sure I'd call it a brilliant piece of software, but it beats the
alternatives. Why is it managed the way it is? I think the short answer is
because Microsoft doesn't see a business case (translation: profitability) to
do otherwise.

"sugna" wrote:

> Can someone please translate the Microsoft announcement! Is there a new
> version or not, will it be able to carry out the background banking just
> stopped on 2004?
>
> What is Money Plus? is that a UK edition?
>
> Why is this piece of brilliant software managed in such a muddled way?
 
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Jeff 8/7/2008 9:22 PM PST
   
  Any thoughts on whether there is any future or if it is time to
reluctantly switch to Quicken? I wouldn't be concerned except that
there is no language suggesting future support. I realize no one
can answer definitively but would be interested in what the MVPs or
other longtime users would bet if pressed on the matter.
 
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teabag 8/8/2008 2:24 AM PST
   
  UK Money 2000 is a perfectly robust program that does not 'report home'.

At present it is possible to download share and fund prices. This
information comes off an M$ / MSN / Morningstar server and the server could
be switched off at any time. That won't stop Money 2000 working but would
mean that users would have to update share and fund prices manually - they
will always be able to do this.

Some people download their bank statements directly into Money - I don't and
would not do so even if I could. Development and regression in this area
does not concern me.

I get the impression more recent versions of Money could be crippled by M$
because they do 'report home'. Certainly useful features like 'budgeting
have been 'dummed down' in the newer versions. You can read more about the
'Passport' saga in this newsgroup.

Comparing concurrent versions of Money and Quicken, I believe the M$ product
has usually been marginally superior.

If you can bear the pain (old Money programs can't read *.mny files made by
newer versions, so data transfer would be difficult) buy a second-hand copy
of UK Money 2000 on eBay, there is one available right now for 99p.

All this IMHO

teabag


"Jeff" <jamacq@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Any thoughts on whether there is any future or if it is time to
> reluctantly switch to Quicken? I wouldn't be concerned except that
> there is no language suggesting future support. I realize no one
> can answer definitively but would be interested in what the MVPs or
> other longtime users would bet if pressed on the matter.


 
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Dick Watson 8/8/2008 3:21 AM PST
   
  As it stands TODAY, Money is hardly as broken as you'd be going to Quicken.
The real question is what happens going forward. Will MS offer some service
offering to extend online services? Do you care about online services? Will
MS continue support? Will MS continue updates for things like tax law
changes? Will MS do more new versions, just not on the annual schedule? I
don't think any of those things are knowable here on the outside just yet. I
think this question is one that can be kicked down the road at a minimum one
year.

"Jeff" <jamacq@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e5610e20-fd97-4a59-8735-0a79266760a3@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Any thoughts on whether there is any future or if it is time to
> reluctantly switch to Quicken? I wouldn't be concerned except that
> there is no language suggesting future support. I realize no one
> can answer definitively but would be interested in what the MVPs or
> other longtime users would bet if pressed on the matter.


 
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schliss 8/8/2008 10:22 PM PST
   
  I have Money Premium 2006 and I expect that Microsoft is testing the
concept of subscription software. If I can either pay a nominal fee to
continue to download stock prices I will avoid hassle of switching to a
new program or if it is possible maintain my historical data on Money
Essential otherwise I will probably move on.
I do however expect to see one of the following
1. A yearly or bi annual fee.
2. A deal with one or more of the brokerage firms.
3. An Advertisement supported version.

This said if Microsoft screws it it up a very fat Intuit and Yahoo
getting some pay back.
 
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Andrew 8/10/2008 6:58 PM PST
   
  Coming Soon to a computer connection near you... Money Live...
Seriously, with the advent of online money management (free) services such
as Mint, Geezeo, Wesabe, etc - I expect to see Microsoft to go online - but
for a fee. With a TBD out there from Microsoft, I am concerned that it's
all going to go away. I was looking forward to beta testing the new version
too.



"schliss" <schliss@att.net> wrote in message
news:ZL9nk.17777$mh5.15793@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>I have Money Premium 2006 and I expect that Microsoft is testing the
>concept of subscription software. If I can either pay a nominal fee to
>continue to download stock prices I will avoid hassle of switching to a new
>program or if it is possible maintain my historical data on Money Essential
>otherwise I will probably move on. I do however expect to see one of the
>following
> 1. A yearly or bi annual fee.
> 2. A deal with one or more of the brokerage firms.
> 3. An Advertisement supported version.
>
> This said if Microsoft screws it it up a very fat Intuit and Yahoo
> getting some pay back.


 
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Retired Coal Miner 8/10/2008 7:18 PM PST
   
  I agree. I'm re-reading and wondering about that statement 'with future
release dates TBD'. I really hope this does not mean they may discontinue the
product at some point in the future. And I truly hope we're not reading too
much into it.

There may be some insightful ways to get a better read on this, such as what
are they telling their Financial Institution Partners and their Affiliates in
their marketing programs. http://www.microsoft.com/money/fi.mspx



Dick Watson wrote:
> Note that the most hopeful and insightful thing they said about future
> versions of the standalone software application we all know as Microsoft
> Money is "with future release dates TBD". Bob, is that more or less what they
> said in the UK when M05 was, uhh, passed over?
>
> Re. "incremental updates to the software don't merit a new product release
> every
> year"--I think what they are willfully missing is that the customer feedback
> was as much or more a comment on the nature of the "incremental updates" on
> offer as on the release schedule for these "updates". But then we get back to
> the business case for investing more than they've been investing in the
> "incremental updates" they've been doing.
>
> If Money had even 1/1,000th of the annual revenue of Office and anywhere
> near 1/1,000th the new development budget, they just might develop a serious
> "update" that wasn't so marginally incremental.
>
> And so it goes...
>
> "Bob Peel, MVP" wrote:
>
>> We have been asked to post the following by the MS Money Team.
 
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Dick Watson  8/11/2008 6:37 AM PST
   
  Interesting to note that Information Week picked up on this
"non-announcement" from the Money team, forwarded through an MVP rather than
posted by them directly, as though Bob were a spokesmouth for Microsoft and
this were a company blog rather than a glorified Usenet newsgroup.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/enterpriseapps/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210000586

"Bob Peel, MVP" wrote:

> We have been asked to post the following by the MS Money Team.
 
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Art McClinton 8/11/2008 4:45 PM PST
   
  I always wondered if the MVP's were connected to Microsoft.

Information Leak has now let the cat out of the bag..

MVP is Money Vice President! :>}

Congratulation Bob on your promotion.


"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
message news:E159FCD3-9302-4BF6-B43D-377AE0DE12DC@microsoft.com...
> Interesting to note that Information Week picked up on this
> "non-announcement" from the Money team, forwarded through an MVP rather
> than
> posted by them directly, as though Bob were a spokesmouth for Microsoft
> and
> this were a company blog rather than a glorified Usenet newsgroup.
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/enterpriseapps/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210000586
>
> "Bob Peel, MVP" wrote:
>
>> We have been asked to post the following by the MS Money Team.


 
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Bob Peel, MVP 8/11/2008 10:54 PM PST
   
  If only! There would be some product changes......... :-)

--
Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For unofficial FAQs see
http://money.mvps.org/
or
http://umpmfaq.info/

I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"Art McClinton" <art.mcclinton@cox.net> wrote in message
news:m74ok.18809$LF2.13228@newsfe09.iad...
>I always wondered if the MVP's were connected to Microsoft.
>
> Information Leak has now let the cat out of the bag..
>
> MVP is Money Vice President! :>}
>
> Congratulation Bob on your promotion.
>
>
> "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
> message news:E159FCD3-9302-4BF6-B43D-377AE0DE12DC@microsoft.com...
>> Interesting to note that Information Week picked up on this
>> "non-announcement" from the Money team, forwarded through an MVP rather
>> than
>> posted by them directly, as though Bob were a spokesmouth for Microsoft
>> and
>> this were a company blog rather than a glorified Usenet newsgroup.
>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/enterpriseapps/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210000586
>>
>> "Bob Peel, MVP" wrote:
>>
>>> We have been asked to post the following by the MS Money Team.
>
>

 
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aafuss 8/12/2008 6:02 AM PST
   
  On Aug 12, 3:51 pm, "Bob Peel, MVP"
<bob_p...@kiandra.freeserve.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> If only! There would be some product changes......... :-)
>
> --
> Regards
> Bob Peel,
> Microsoft MVP - Money
>
> For unofficial FAQs seehttp://money.mvps.org/
> orhttp://umpmfaq.info/
>
> I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.
>
> "Art McClinton" <art.mcclin...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:m74ok.18809$LF2.13228@newsfe09.iad...
>
> >I always wondered if the MVP's were connected to Microsoft.
>
> > Information Leak has now let the cat out of the bag..
>
> > MVP is Money Vice President!  :>}
>
> > Congratulation Bob on your promotion.
>
> > "Dick Watson" <littlegreenge...@mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:E159FCD3-9302-4BF6-B43D-377AE0DE12DC@microsoft.com...
> >> Interesting to note that Information Week picked up on this
> >> "non-announcement" from the Money team, forwarded through an MVP rather
> >> than
> >> posted by them directly, as though Bob were a spokesmouth for Microsoft
> >> and
> >> this were a company blog rather than a glorified Usenet newsgroup.
>
> >>http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/enterpriseapps/showArtic....
>
> >> "Bob Peel, MVP" wrote:
>
> >>> We have been asked to post the following by the MS Money Team.
Australia and UK are still on a 2005 version-and MS Australia/UK don't
do Money downloads (unlike in the US).

And with no update this year-does it mean the UK will never see a new
version?
 
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