A Wartime Interview with Joe Foss
In the spring of 1943 Guadalcanal veteran, 26-victory ace, and Medal of Honor
winner Joe Foss was back in the U.S. Among his duties at this time was an interview
at the Bureau of Aeronautics. We found a transcript of that interview in the National
Archives and have reproduced excerpts from it below.
Foss makes a number of interesting and characteristically pithy points about
the combat experience on Guadalcanal, including comments on Japanese and U.S. tactics,
the difficulties of being a wingman, and the best method for strafing a destroyer.
Be sure to read the
transcript of a longer interview
we conducted with Foss in March, 2000.
CONFIDENTIAL
Interview of
CAPTAIN J.J. FOSS, USMC
Executive Officer, VMF-121
in the
Bureau of Aeronautics
26 April 1943
Captain Foss te11s of experiences as
a fighter pilot on Guadalcanal . . . .
Distribution: To all units ashore and afloat concerned with aircraft.
GUADALCANAL - [JAPANESE] TACTICS
I went into Guadalcanal in VF-121. Major
"Duke" Davis was Commanding Officer and I was the Exec. We flew off a converted
carrier, about 350 miles off Guadalcanal, arriving October 9. Our second day there,
we started air operations.
At that time the [Japanese] attacks were
with the Type 1 high-altitude bomber, coming in in formations of from 27 up to 35,
with fighter escort; altitudes from 22,000 to 26,000 feet. They would send down
a fighter sweep before the bombing attack. About 12 Zeros would arrive 30 to 45
minutes ahead of the bombers, apparently to draw up all our fighters to start an
engagement. About the time an engagement started the second wave of Zeros would
come in. They always came in at high altitude, somewhere about 30,000. By the time
they arrived, they were hoping you were down at a good low altitude where they could
work on you.
The first outfit that came in would always
spar around; they wanted to draw you down so that the high altitude boys could get
a good pass at you. Once of that was enough to cure me and everyone in our outfit.
We went in to get something that looked like easy bait and as we started in the
Zeros that were above us came down on us. They had a little bit too much speed to
do much damage. They didn't shoot down many, but they hit just about all of us.
So whenever we'd see about six [Japanese]
planes that seemed to want to engage us, we were quite sure they had plenty of high
cover. If the fighting was on even terms, they weren't at all anxious to engage
us. But whenever they had the long end of the deal, they were anxious to engage.
Along with the bombers there would be six to eight more Zeros. They'd fly to the
rear and above, about 3,000 feet above the bombers, doing loops and slow rolls,
to slow them down so they could stay with the bombers. They were usually up around
30,000 feet. Then there were another six just prowling around. You never could tell
where they were; they would circle wide and try to come in from the opposite direction.
When I got there, we seemed to be getting
off late. The [Japanese] got wise to the fact that if they made a circle and came
in over the mountains we couldn't pick them up on the Radar as soon as we used to
when they came right down the channel. With the mountain interference on the Radar
we hadn't quite enough warning to make it up there. On several occasions I reached
the same altitude as the bombers, a bad situation. We didn't have time to climb
into a position to get a pass at the bombers. Sometimes my outfit made a parallel
run to the bombing formation but couldn't gain a bit on them; we stayed right there
just out of range. Their gunners would be shooting at us while Zeros stayed up and
didn't seem to want to come down. Finally they could come down, and then we'd get
to fight the Zeros. One reason why my squadron had [a] lot of Zeros to its credit
is that we always wanted to get into a scrap. When there was nothing else around,
we always went after the Zeros, if they didn't come after us.
U.S. TACTICS
Instead of scrambling all the fighters
on the first warning, we would send up one flight of eight and sometimes twelve
planes just to spar around with these first fighters. They circle around for a long
time before they engage; they never press the attack. We were just trying to hold
off 'til we could get some more fighters with plenty of oxygen and gas up there
in time for the bombers.
At that time, we were allowed 40 F4Fs on
the field, about 30 of which were operating. Out of these 30, we could guarantee
to have 24 in the air.
The P-38s didn't arrive until late in October.
The day they arrived was the last time that the [Japanese] came in with their big
formations for high-altitude bombing.
Until October 25 we had air combat every
day, sometimes two and three times a day. On October 25 we knocked down 17 Zeros
and 5 bombers. That attack was the last that came into the field. Every day we picked
them up on the Radar. They'd come down to within 40 miles of the field and orbit.
We covered the field, and went out in their direction far enough to intercept them,
if they came in. That went on for about a week. After that we decided to see what
was out farther. As soon as we'd start out, they'd evidently see us coming and turn
around, for our Control would call us and say they were departing...
STRAFING
Q. In strafing a destroyer, what is the maximum distance for attack?
A. I would start shooting at 3,000 feet. Some of them start shooting at 5,000
feet, but in my opinion that is just wasting time and ammunition. I go right down
and pull up below l,000 feet. After I pass the destroyer, I am right on the water.
In strafing a troop transport, I'd drop over the bow or the stern, so that when
I went out I was right on the water. I just cleared the ship, went over it, and
then really snaked along. We shot all the way in, down to 500 feet -- by that time
you're really going, high speeds -- we were always upward of 300 when we came by.
On the way out none of us were hit; it was when you were coming down that you were
in a bad spot. You have to look out for crossfire. The ship that you're strafing
isn't the dangerous one, there's one on each side; they start playing a crossfire
into you, and they pretty well put it to you. When six or seven or eight destroyers
and cruisers were escorting transports and cargo ships, we'd come in and attack
the corner warships so that we'd draw fire from these ships and give the dive-bombers
a chance to go in and drop on the cargo and transport ships. They used to shoot
the fighters in preference to the dive-bombers. Whether they couldn't tell a dive-bomber
from a fighter, I don't know. The Grumman looked so chubby that they right away
thought it was a dive-bomber with a bomb on it!...
[JAPANESE] TACTICS
They have a rather unusual way in their
attacks. The leader always shies around; his wing mate flies back far enough so
you can hit him off without the leader's ever knowing it. They fly more or less
in a column -- the wing man is supposed to stay with that leader. How he does it
I don't know. When you stay 200 or 300 yards behind your leader and try to follow
him, you've really got something on your hands. The wing man has a tough time of
it. I talked to some of the Japanese through an interpreter, some of the Japanese
pilots, and they'd always shake their heads about following their leader, and talk
about their heads going around and around. I see their point.
U.S. TACTICS
In our attacks, we'd move in close.
Eight planes right close together. If we broke up it would be first one four-plane
section and then the other four-plane section, then into two planes. In the end
it's just a big dogfight. My wing man would stay right on me until there'd be a
plane in front of me that I was chasing.
Then a plane would be coming from one side
or the other, and that was a farewell for my wing man. He just made a quick swing
out, and he'd always get a head-on shot -- probably not such a good shot -- but
he'd put out a shot and make a quick turn. I'd turn around the other way and hope
that we'd come back together; if we didn't see each other, we joined up on the first
Grumman we saw. And always branch out from that again. I had my boys fly up more
or less on line when they were going into an attack; they flew pretty well up. If
the attack moved in from the tail end, I'd just call to him; and he would lead the
attack in -- he'd be first man in, and I'd be last. Instead of all having to slide
over, I'd just call him, and he could take over. We had very good luck that way.
We were never surprised. He flew back about 30° I'd say, or as much as 45° but never
any of this column stuff. I always want to know where all my wing men are.
Q. Are the [Japanese] pilots who have been taken prisoner high-grade people?
A. The Zero pilot seems to be the better of the two, bomber and combat pilots.
They were very young, lads of 19-21, with very good builds. …The [Japanese] are
pretty well broken up when they're taken prisoner. One told me the only reason he
ever joined up in the Air Corps was so he could fly. Now he couldn't fly anymore
-- by that he meant that he'd never be able to fly for Japan again; and we won't
take him on. He was out of luck. He was a 21-year chap who had gone to the University
of Tokio [sic].
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