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Chat Topic: Whidbey’s Class Designers Chat Room Status: Scheduled Chat in Progress venkat_kl: come to BDOTNET venkat_kl: GOOD EVENING Mr.Naveen KS & Subhashini Biju: Good Evening all Karthi: Good Evening to everybody Rit: What is Class Designers
in Whidbey's ? murali: hi friends, Surji: Hi there murali: tell me what
is class designers in whidbey's murali: tell me it's
use kiran: hi everybody,
shrinath: Hi Naveen
and hi to all Rams: Hi Naveen venkat_kl: Subhashini Please tell
everybody not to ask questions in the Middle Now Only udayan: hi udayan:www.mstechcommunities
can u provide me the full lnk venkat_kl asked the experts:
Subhashini Please tell everybody not to ask questions in the Middle
Now Only sweetie: good evening [EXPERT] Naveen
K S: Thanks Subhashini for instroduction... :-) [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Hi Every one... :-) Channel16: The link
do not work..! Karthi: Hi Naveen, are Class Designers similar to Visual Modeler for
Visual Studio 6.0 ? murali: Hi Naveen, What
is Class Designers? sweetie: What are Class
designers? Karthi: Hi Naveen, Are Class Designers similar to Visual Modeler for
Visual Studio 6.0 ? [EXPERT] Naveen K
S: First of all sorry for not able to login as Expert here...so
you people need to bear with me and subhsshini and [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: read my transcripts under "Guest Chat" [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Hi all....a
small request to all you guys.. [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: I know you are desperate to know about new
feature in Whidbey but ... [EXPERT] Naveen
K S: you guys need to hold for 30 mint during which I wouuld
present my topic here... Amit: Can u tell me
about the Class Designers [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: during presentation most of your question might
get answered automatically [EXPERT] Naveen
K S: so guys lets start... [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: What is Class Designers ? I know few already
asked this as question...here it is [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Class Designer is a core component of the Whidbey
IDE and is included in Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition and above [EXPERT] Naveen K S: what is use
of Class Designer? why its there in IDE of VS2005? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Answer would be...The class designer tool lets
you create Class Diagrams in your Visual Studio projects i.e. assemblies Biju asked the experts:
Just like in UML..? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: It lets you visualize the structure of classes
and other types Rams: biju wait for
30 mins pls SaurabhBirla: how close
it is to rational ? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: How we represent classes in graphical view... [EXPERT] Naveen K S: most of time
we use UML for that and UML is standard Modelling ....so does Class
Designers too... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
It uses a UML-like notation.... [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: But a word of caution here... [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: its not a UML .... [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: its just uses notation like UML to represent
Classes and its structure in graphical view vijay: whether class
files are used only for the code amar asked the experts:
hi all Magesh: i remember microsoft
promoting ORM for sometime during the release of VS.NET 2000.... is
there any support of ORM in this? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: The tool should
be thought of as an "alternate view of your code in graphical
form" [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
Any edits you make either to the diagram or to the code are continuously
synced so that the changes made in one are immediately reflected in
the other.... Basant asked the experts:
What is the concept of INDIGO Magesh asked the experts:
i remember microsoft promoting ORM for sometime during the release
of VS.NET 2000.... is there any support of ORM in this? [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
To edit class details in graphical format...we have class details
window... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
Using which you can view and change the interface of the classes [EXPERT] Naveen K S: This includes
adding and removing methods, fields, properties, and events... [EXPERT] Naveen K S: You can also
change the scope, parameters, and return types of these elements.... [EXPERT] Naveen K S: All this you
can do using Class Desginers windows in graphical format.... kaushal: reengineering
is also possiable with uml [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Any change made in the Class Details window
is immediately applied to the code. [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: As a developer most of you people might be
wondering.... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
Why the hell I need to class designers in IDE of VS... Magesh: u r right... [EXPERT] Naveen K
S: Guys..you have answers with yourself... [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: how pain it was when Proj Manager or Leader
comes and enquires with you... sweetie: we don't need
another tool for tht.so it makes ur design fast [EXPERT] Naveen K S: are
you creating classes as per Software Architect... Magesh asked the experts:
Naveen, any idea on ORM support? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Software Archiec , interacts with customer
and changes designs frequently [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: everytime you need to keep track of those UML
notations given by him and write your classes accordingly. shrinath: is it reverse
engineering possible...i change the code and shall Class details window
update? sachinigt: ORM?? [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
now Class designers make this easy,....just get those notations and
change it... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
code is also changed automatically.... Magesh: Object Role
Modeling [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: as class designers keeps sync with code.. [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Is that alone
Class Designers can be used? Manish Tandon: ORM is
Object Role Modeling , check this link http://www.orm.net/ [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Hold your
pants up....class desginers also help in many otehr various ways...such
as vijay asked the experts:
what is partial class? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Understanding existing code: Existing code
bases can be complicated and confusing. kaushal: for .net application
Rational XDE is best tool [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: With a class designer, you can graphically
explore existing class hierarchies and get a feel for how classes
relate to each other [EXPERT] Naveen K
S: It also allows you to graphically create the high level
design and implementation of your software [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Now you guys must have question.....what else
it can be used vishe: hello [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
It can also be used for code reviews and refactoring. [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Existing code diagrams can be annotated for
review, and code can be refactored using a designer Basant: how the refactoring
of code can be done using this Ravi: Can it be used
for test case generation based on class and functions ? Aayush asked the experts:
Are there any MDA tools coming with Whidbey? sachinigt: What are
the advantages of partial class ?? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Class diagrams can also be used to document
the existing class hierarchies, graphically displaying inheritance
trees karunakk asked the experts:
Hi Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Hi Naveen!Can u throw some light on Skin controls.....? [EXPERT] Naveen K
S: They are also useful for communicating ideas with colleagues,
through email or visual presentations. [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: you might ask...what all you ultimately leads
to... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
simple........it saves time...development [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: From the above introduction you might have
got .... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
how class designer can be useful throughout the entire development
cycle..... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
now coming to fetures of class designers... Amit: hi [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
Using Class Designer, you can create types of the following kinds.... [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Class, Enumeration,
Interface, Abstract Class, Struct, Delegate [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: what class can contain? karunakk: Hi Naveen
We are creating classes for access database through object datasource,
is it posbile to convert these classes for web services [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
method, property, field, event, constructor (method), destructor (method),
constant shrinath: how you will
achieve runtime polymorphism? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: likewise for Enum..Field [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: for struct..method, property, field, event,
constructor (method), constant Ravi Krishna D asked the experts:
How do i view the class diagrames designed by Whidby? Do i need to
install whidby also? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: and for Interface..method, property, event
method, field (for J#) ArockiamIInterchange:
hai everyone [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Hummm so you guys might started thingking....class
designers are really helpful..... sweetie: Can we draw
usecase diagrams as in rational rose? kaushal: yes [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
Does it mean that I can have Class diagram only for exsiting project? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: what about
clasess referenced fom other projects ?.. [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: guys ..class desginers does support that too.... [EXPERT] Naveen K S: It can show...a
project that contains a class [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: It also shows class diagram for a project referenced
from a project that contains a class diagram Ajish: Hi [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
It even can show class diagrams for nn assembly referenced from a
project that contains a class diagram sweetie: it shows the
dependencies of the classes [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Guys...I am expecting a question from you for
above..... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
okkk...let me tell you what you might asked.... venkat_kl asked the experts:
Can we port existing UML Diagram to Class Designers Biju: Naveen Can you write articles on Whidbey in BDOTNET like Anand
is doing Karthi: Is it similar to Visual Modeler of VS 6.0 ? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Does it mean that we can change the classes
referenced from other projects or assemblies into exsiting diagramsn....? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: NO.....you
can't [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
It would show referenced class diagrams as READ ONLY.... Basant asked the experts:
how is the refactoring can be done using this tool Saradhi: Hi ASll [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
this makes sure that your code/classess are not changed out of your
project enviroment sweetie: We can only
craete class diagrams no other diagrams Saradhi: Hi All, Good
Morning. This is Saradhi [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Somebody might be thingking out there....Naveen
is telling only positive features...what about negative points? Aayush asked the experts:
With the coding sharing and evaluation by team members kind of stuff
being talked about, I have one query - is some kind of CVS system
intergrated into Whidbey??? shrinath: what are the
Various OOP's relationship supported in Whidbey ? anand: yes Ravi asked the experts:
yep I thought you are still in positive points only [EXPERT] Naveen K S: okk...guys
let me share with you guys which I faced and thought it shouuld hav
supported... [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
There is no direct priting facility of class diagrams.... venkat_kl asked the experts:
In what way it is different from UML? sweetie: Is this tool
come along with whidbey? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: you need to copy those to clipboard and then
paste to word, powerpoint, html etc for documentation or presentation
purposes SaurabhBirla: that is
trademark for Microsoft... no direct printing ! kaushal: can we convert
project into XMl kaushal: for further
uses Saravana: Whidbey is
the code name for VS.NET 2005 and .net framework 2.0 [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Visio
is great tool...can we export there... [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: answer is no...there is no direct support for
exportin to Visio shrinath: why can't
printing facility can be implemented? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: everyone things class diagrams means UML... Saravana: This tool
comes along with VS.NET 2005 Aayush: moreover not
all have Visio Pardha asked the experts:
All these days , we used to use the UML tool like Enterprise Architect
or Rational rose to prepare UML diagrams and then use the same tool
to forward geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use these files
to finish the coding. [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: But calss diagram are not UML soo No sequence
diagram or collaboration diagram support which is one of important
features of UML Pardha: Do you mean
to say or Widbey is designed to replace the UML tools we used so far?? Pardha: Do you mean
to say or Widbey is designed to replace the UML tools we used so far?? [EXPERT] Naveen
K S: guy now I would start answering to all your questions [EXPERT] Naveen K S: many people
asked what is whidbey....? [EXPERT] Naveen
K S: Whidbey is "Code Name" for coming version
of Visual Studio 2005 Basant: tell me, how
refactoring of code can be done using this tool Rit: name "Whidbey"
is ID are development tool for vb.net only / All .nel language bcoz
i have heard that whidbey is only to promote vb.net bcoz there is
no other addition for C# is this true ? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Class
designers is part of Whidbey i.e. Visual studio 2005 and its shipped
with it Karthi: Naveen, is Class Designer similar to Visual Modeler of VS
6 ? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Class
designers are tightly integrated with IDE so...no need to purchase
separeatly..once u have VS2005...it means u have Class Designers.. Aayush: @Rit - the stuff
you are talking about si quite hillarious to me [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
Rit: What is Class Designers in Whidbey's ?...I already answered Basant asked the experts:
tell me, how refactoring of code can be done using this tool Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Tell us more abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey? Aayush: In fact C# is
the language that is most promoted by MSFT. IT can be viewed as an
incarnation of .Net Laks: Hello Sir, I would
like to know the additional features of Whidbey... [EXPERT] Naveen K S: murali: Hi
Naveen, What is Class Designers? ...already answered [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: sweetie: What are Class designers?....already
answered Saravana: What feature
you want to know about HandledException asked the experts:
I have used Visio and Smart Draw. Is there anything by which we can
directly get the class diagrams from either of these to Widbey class
designer ? Biju asked the experts:
As far as the features of whidbey and UML is concerned which one is
better Whidbey or UML SaurabhBirla: how far
it is integrated with visio, Rational ? Channel16 asked the experts:
When can we expect Whidbey and Yukon this year...? [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
Biju asked the experts: Just like in UML..?.....yes its just like
UML..but not fully UML Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Tell us more abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey? [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
Biju...let me add some more info for you Ravi: Hi Naveen, how
far this will reduce the time and work in process before development/coding
? karunakk asked the experts:
is VWD has Class Designers? Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Tell us more abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey? Pardha: Naveen : All
these days , I used EA or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML diagrams,
forward geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use these files
to finish the coding,Do you mean to say or Widbey is designed to replace
these tools????? Pardha: Naveen : All
these days , I used EA or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML diagrams,
forward geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use these files
to finish the coding,Do you mean to say or Widbey is designed to replace
these tools????? Pardha: Naveen : All
these days , I used EA or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML diagrams,
forward geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use these files
to finish the coding,Do you mean to say or Widbey is designed to replace
these tools????? Pardha: Naveen : All
these days , I used EA or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML diagrams,
forward geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use these files
to finish the coding,Do you mean to say or Widbey is designed to replace
these tools????? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: UML is standards while Class desginers in whidbey
are just representaion of classes in devlopment environment Saravana: Microsoft
promised to release whidbey and yukon this year end.. Pardha: All these days
, I used EA or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML diagrams, forward
geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use these files to finish
the coding,Do you mean to say or Widbey is designed to replace these
tools????? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Pardha: Naveen : All these days , I used EA
or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML diagrams, forward geenrate
the intiial skeleton code and then use these files to finish the coding,Do
you mean to say or Widbey is designed to replace these tools?????,.. [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Pardha answer
is SaurabhBirla asked the experts:
What other designs we can do in whidbey ? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Class
designers are tool for classes alone...while Prakash_Jha: Tell us
more abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: there is some
thing called Visual Studio Team System coming in from Microsoft whicha
re in lines with Rational Rose Sute [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: suite Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Tell us more abt the Security Considerations in Whidbey? kaushal: can we create
datagraph also in Whidbey Pardha: HELLO?? [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
All these tools are external and need to be intergrated with VS to
use without hassesl .... Pardha asked the experts:
All these days , I used EA or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML
diagrams, forward geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use
these files to finish the coding,Do you mean to say or Widbey is designed
to replace these tools????? Prakash_Jha: Tell us
more abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey? karunakk asked the experts:
is VWD EXPRESS Has Class Designer? karunakk: is VWD EXPRESS
Has Class Designer? karunakk: is VWD EXPRESS
Has Class Designer? Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Tell us more abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey? [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
but with these tools available from MS...ther are integrated with
devlopment environmanet itself... Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Tell us more abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey? [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
hope this answers Pardha's question karunakk asked the experts:
is VWD EXPRESS Has Class Designer? karunakk asked the experts:
is VWD EXPRESS Has Class Designer? Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Tell us more abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey? ArockiamIInterchange asked the experts:
Is it only graphical notation of the classes? Is this will be automatically
generated or it is a drawing tool? Aayush: Please don't
spam, it is difficult to search for the relevant portions of the chat
[EXPERT] Naveen
K S: karunakk: is VWD EXPRESS Has Class Designer?...no...you
don't get Class designers in Express editions Channel16 asked the experts:
What about Exception handling code..? will that also be part of the
class daigram..? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Prakash_Jha asked the experts: Tell us more
abt the Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey?..this is not as per chat
topic..but I can give you information offline... [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: please email me..I wouuld send you information Ravi asked the experts:
Hi Naveen, how far this will reduce the time and work in process before
development/coding ? Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
Thanx.... Pardha asked the experts:
All these days , I used EA or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML
diagrams, forward geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use
these files to finish the coding,Do you mean to say or Widbey is designed
to replace these tools????? SaurabhBirla: Prakash_Jha
what are Custom Skin Controls in Whidbey, I have never heard of it
? HandledException asked the experts:
Is there anything by which we can directly get the class diagrams
from Visio to Widbey class designer ? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Ravi
asked the experts: Hi Naveen, how far this will reduce the time and
work in process before development/coding ? ..you don't need to conduct
meeting to tell developers that we need to changes some clasess and
its relationship Saravana: Class designer
is not supported in Express editions [EXPERT] Naveen K S: there si no
need to sit with those diagrams and then code...just a click away.... Rit: I wanted to know
when we are talking about whidbey then to whom u are indicating ID
/TOoL /Language ? Rit: What is actual
Whidbey ? Pardha asked the experts:
All these days , I used EA or Rational rose or Visio to prepare UML
diagrams, forward geenrate the intiial skeleton code and then use
these files to finish the coding,Do you mean to say or Widbey is designed
to replace these tools????? Aayush asked the experts:
Is some kind of CVS system (similar to Visual Source Safe) already
integrated with Whidbey? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: see the diagrams and model your classes accordingly
and you are done.....now you can imagine how much time is saved Ravi: So it means all
the UML diagrams and code are shareable .. am I right? If so what
is the scope of sharing them.. any constraint? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Aayush asked
the experts: Is some kind of CVS system (similar to Visual Source
Safe) already integrated with Whidbey?.. NO...CVS is source storage
tool.. like VSS....while Class Desginers are to represetn classes karunakk asked the experts:
or in Visual Studio 2003 has Class Designers? karunakk asked the experts:
or in Visual Studio 2003 has Class Designers? Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
but wot abt the support for "test before code" strategy....any
support using these class designers....for testing or assertion...? [EXPERT] Naveen
K S: Ravi: So it means all the UML diagrams and code are
shareable .. am I right? If so what is the scope of sharing them..
any constraint?...... Not all UML notations are implemented...only
classes, interfaces... netind: hi naveen...hi
every body.. Ravi asked the experts:
So it means all the UML diagrams and code are shareable .. am I right?
If so what is the scope of sharing them.. any constraint? [EXPERT] Naveen K S:
I gave list above please follow up once agins Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
but wot abt the support for "test before code" strategy....any
support using these class designers....for testing or assertion...? rajendra: hello Saravana: New Source
control system (Hatteras ) is coming along with VS.NET 2005( Visual
Studio Team System) [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: karunakk asked the experts: or in Visual Studio
2003 has Class Designers?.... NO as I said before it is part of FUTURE
VERSION OF Visual Studio 2005 venkat_kl asked the experts:
How Class Designer will handle Refactoring Part in VB.Net? where VB.NET
does not support Refactoring Prakash_Jha asked the experts:
but wot abt the support for "test before code" strategy....any
support using these class designers....for testing or assertion...? Pardha asked the experts:
The code name "Whidbey" release of Visual Basic will radically
improve developer productivity while continuing to provide full access
to the Microsoft .NET Framework. [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Prakash_Jha
asked the experts: but wot abt the support for "test before code"
strategy....any support using these class designers....for testing
or assertion...?..For this tehre are some tools under devlopment which
would be part of Visual Studio Team Syst netind asked the experts:
what all new features are available apart from modelling and diagrams
in the class designer in whidbey.Does it now support intellisense
at declaration level? Aayush asked the experts:
is the concept of Class Designer and the refactoring stuff something
to di with MDA. Because after all at some level you are considering
models as code itself as the MDA enthusiasts do [EXPERT] Naveen K S: venkat_kl
asked the experts: How Class Designer will handle Refactoring Part
in VB.Net? where VB.NET does not support Refactoring....... Its not
supported....Product team is still debating on this Pardha: Last month,
The Web Platform and Tools team announced a change in the special
directory naming of ASP.NET 2.0. In discussing this change with customers
and community, we received a strong response that prompted us to reconsider
the proposed syntax of appl Pardha: application_xxx.
After reviewing the feedback, re-thinking our goals, and looking at
all possible options and feedback, we have decided to revise the changes
in order to create a simpler and more usable syntax while also improving
compatibility with exist Pardha: you can download
the alanguage enahancements in Widbey from http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/1/b/f1bd5d23-18a7-4ba3-891f-c2ec0ccd32ee/languageenhancements.msi Aayush: is the concept
of Class Designer and the refactoring stuff something to d0 with MDA.
Because after all at some level you are considering models as code
itself as the MDA enthusiasts do ?? [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Pardha: Do
you mean to say or Widbey is designed to replace the UML tools we
used so far?? Its just a begining....UML tools were out of devlopment
environment and it was little difficult to get these into devlopment
envirment....with whidbey and other tool [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: you can expect better support, less develiopment
time and easily managable proj Ravi: If anyone keeping
the copy of the entire chat from begining pl send it to me at ravi@coastal.co.in Veeral_Pune asked the experts:
is it possible to integrate other third party class designers with
vs.net 2005? Pardha: you can download
the alanguage enahancements in Widbey from http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/1/b/f1bd5d23-18a7-4ba3-891f-c2ec0ccd32ee/languageenhancements.msi [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Aayush: is
the concept of Class Designer and the refactoring stuff something
to d0 with MDA. Because after all at some level you are considering
models as code itself as the MDA enthusiasts do ??.... NO...but is
part of Designering of software.. [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: Okk guys ...hope you have enjoyed the chat Veeral_Pune asked the experts:
is it possible to integrate other third party class designers with
vs.net 2005? sweetie: thanks a lot
naveen [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: and loved to explore Class designers in future Karthi: Thank you Naveen
for a wonderful chat session. It was very informative. Veeral_Pune asked the experts:
is it possible to integrate other third party class designers with
vs.net 2005? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: If you have any questions please email me and
I would be more than happy to answer those... sAiK: Hi Naveen what
is the best SDK available for GPS programming in .net for Pocket PCs? [EXPERT] Naveen
K S: thanks a lot once agains for joining me.... venkat_kl asked the experts:
Naveen Can we Keep One or two sessions on how to design a project
in our regualr BDOTNET Meetings? [EXPERT]
Naveen K S: I am really sorry for not anseringt last questions....like
SAIK, Veeral etc... [EXPERT] Naveen K
S: please email me and I would surely send a answer [EXPERT] Naveen K S: Thanks a lot
and Bye SaurabhBirla: thanks
a lot naveen... we will like to here more on other design tools in
2005 Veeral_Pune asked the experts:
naveen ur email address plz shrinath:ksnaveen@hotmail.com [EXPERT] Naveen K S: yes..ksnaveen
at hotmail dot com
A very good evening to all of you.
