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No, I find that I'm more confused after reading the article than before. The
article focuses on how you can effectively set Space Before/After for a
group of paragraphs of the same style. The spacing can be suppressed between
paragraphs in the same style (but only by checking a box that is unavailable
if auto spacing is disabled). If I could get my head around this, I think it
would be a vast improvement and make it unnecessary to use so many different
styles, but I've never taken the time to play with it and figure out how it
works, so I'm still stumbling along with Block Text Begin, Block Text, and
Block Text End, for example.
And combining the Space Before/After where different styles meet would also
be a big help; I've just been working on a document where Heading 2 normally
follows Body Text. Since Body Text has 6 pts Space After, Heading 2 needs
only 12 or 18 pts Space Before, but if it follows a table (where the Table
Text style has only 3 pts Space After, then the spacing is different. I
really need to work with this feature!
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
"Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
news:ePAzK7trEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> It doesn't look like the article really covers how both the "Auto"
> space option and HML Compatibility option work.
>
> If you have Auto space set for Paragraph Spacing Before/After, when
> you turn on the Tools/Options/Compatibility/Don't use HTML paragraph
> auto spacing option on, Word adjusts Paragraph Spacing Before/After to
> 5 pt.
>
> If you aren't using Auto space for paragraphs:
>
> With the HTML Compatibility option turned off (default setting): Word
> sets the spacing between paragraphs to the larger of Spacing
> Before/After.
>
> If you have the HTML Compatibility option turned on: Word uses both
> values of Spacing Before/After between paragraphs which is the
> functionality of versions of Word prior to Word 2000.
> --
> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Beth Melton
> Microsoft Office MVP
>
> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:eSlHewVrEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > This is one of the features introduced in Word to emulate HTML. I
> > believe it
> > suppresses the smaller of the Space After of one paragraph and the
> > Space
> > Before of the following paragraph to result in uniform spacing. For
> > more,
> > see "WD2000: How to Use the HTML Paragraph Auto Spacing" at
> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=207893
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> > newsgroup so
> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Joey" <Joey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:73CF319E-507D-49BA-9D6C-80CCE2BD791B@microsoft.com...
> >> How does the value "auto" work in Paragraph Spacing's "Before" and
> >> "After"
> >> fields? I've searched Word's Help files but there's nothing about
> >> how this
> >> value works.
> >
>
>
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Hmmm...I quickly scanned the article earlier but now after I read it
closer I think the KB article is wrong. I think it's referring to the
option you've described, "Don't add space between paragraphs of the
same style" which will only add space before the first paragraph in
the group and after the last paragraph in the group.(btw, the only
time I see it disabled is when 0 pts Before and After is used)
I think an option is still missing, though. A lot of users want is the
ability to define space before a group of paragraphs, space between
the group, and space after. The "Don't add..." option will suppress
all space. It's still a handy option to have but it could stand to be
expanded.
Anyway, I just don't see how HTML spacing option has anything to with
space before or after a group of paragraphs. If it is turned on and
"Auto" space is used it will add 5 pts of space between paragraphs
that use "Auto" space or use both values of Before/After between
paragraphs instead of using the larger of the two.
--
Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23EmAU%23urEHA.592@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> No, I find that I'm more confused after reading the article than
> before. The
> article focuses on how you can effectively set Space Before/After
> for a
> group of paragraphs of the same style. The spacing can be suppressed
> between
> paragraphs in the same style (but only by checking a box that is
> unavailable
> if auto spacing is disabled). If I could get my head around this, I
> think it
> would be a vast improvement and make it unnecessary to use so many
> different
> styles, but I've never taken the time to play with it and figure out
> how it
> works, so I'm still stumbling along with Block Text Begin, Block
> Text, and
> Block Text End, for example.
>
> And combining the Space Before/After where different styles meet
> would also
> be a big help; I've just been working on a document where Heading 2
> normally
> follows Body Text. Since Body Text has 6 pts Space After, Heading 2
> needs
> only 12 or 18 pts Space Before, but if it follows a table (where the
> Table
> Text style has only 3 pts Space After, then the spacing is
> different. I
> really need to work with this feature!
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> newsgroup so
> all may benefit.
>
> "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ePAzK7trEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> It doesn't look like the article really covers how both the "Auto"
>> space option and HML Compatibility option work.
>>
>> If you have Auto space set for Paragraph Spacing Before/After, when
>> you turn on the Tools/Options/Compatibility/Don't use HTML
>> paragraph
>> auto spacing option on, Word adjusts Paragraph Spacing Before/After
>> to
>> 5 pt.
>>
>> If you aren't using Auto space for paragraphs:
>>
>> With the HTML Compatibility option turned off (default setting):
>> Word
>> sets the spacing between paragraphs to the larger of Spacing
>> Before/After.
>>
>> If you have the HTML Compatibility option turned on: Word uses both
>> values of Spacing Before/After between paragraphs which is the
>> functionality of versions of Word prior to Word 2000.
>> --
>> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
>> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Beth Melton
>> Microsoft Office MVP
>>
>> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
>> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
>> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>>
>>
>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:eSlHewVrEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > This is one of the features introduced in Word to emulate HTML. I
>> > believe it
>> > suppresses the smaller of the Space After of one paragraph and
>> > the
>> > Space
>> > Before of the following paragraph to result in uniform spacing.
>> > For
>> > more,
>> > see "WD2000: How to Use the HTML Paragraph Auto Spacing" at
>> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=207893
>> >
>> > --
>> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> > Words into Type
>> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
>> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
>> > newsgroup so
>> > all may benefit.
>> >
>> > "Joey" <Joey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:73CF319E-507D-49BA-9D6C-80CCE2BD791B@microsoft.com...
>> >> How does the value "auto" work in Paragraph Spacing's "Before"
>> >> and
>> >> "After"
>> >> fields? I've searched Word's Help files but there's nothing
>> >> about
>> >> how this
>> >> value works.
>> >
>>
>>
>
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As I understand it here is how it works:
For the example, let us posit three styles: Body Text, Heading 1, and Block
Text, formatted as follows:
1. Body Text: 6 pts Space After
2. Heading 1: 18 pts Space Before and 3 pts Space After
3. Block Text: (Left and Right Indents and) 3 pts Space Before and 3 pts
Space After
[Don't worry about whether this spacing actually makes sense!]
You have these paragraphs in the following order:
Body Text
HEADING 1
Body Text
Block Text
Block Text
Block Text
Body Text
1. If you have HTML auto spacing enabled:
a. You will have 18 pts Space Before Heading 1, but the 6 pts After the
Body Text style will be suppressed, for a total of 18 pts.
b. The 3 pts Before the first Block Text paragraph will be subsumed in
the 6 pts after Body Text, for a total of 6 pts.
c. Presumably the space between the Block Text paragraphs will be 3 pts
(one canceling the other).
d. The final Body Text paragraph will be unaffected (unless it is
followed by a heading style or some other with Space Before exceeding its
Space After).
2. If you check the box for "Don't add space between paragraphs of the same
style" for the Block Text style, everything above will be true except that
there will be *no* space between the Block Text paragraphs, just before and
after the group of three paragraphs.
I haven't tested any of this, but this is the behavior I would expect based
on the descriptions I've read (and the way it seems to work in Web pages).
The annoying thing is that the "Don't add space" option is available only if
you have the auto spacing enabled, but I could probably still manage to work
with that. I just need to practice!
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
"Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
news:ucGH%237yrEHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hmmm...I quickly scanned the article earlier but now after I read it
> closer I think the KB article is wrong. I think it's referring to the
> option you've described, "Don't add space between paragraphs of the
> same style" which will only add space before the first paragraph in
> the group and after the last paragraph in the group.(btw, the only
> time I see it disabled is when 0 pts Before and After is used)
>
> I think an option is still missing, though. A lot of users want is the
> ability to define space before a group of paragraphs, space between
> the group, and space after. The "Don't add..." option will suppress
> all space. It's still a handy option to have but it could stand to be
> expanded.
>
> Anyway, I just don't see how HTML spacing option has anything to with
> space before or after a group of paragraphs. If it is turned on and
> "Auto" space is used it will add 5 pts of space between paragraphs
> that use "Auto" space or use both values of Before/After between
> paragraphs instead of using the larger of the two.
> --
> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Beth Melton
> Microsoft Office MVP
>
> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23EmAU%23urEHA.592@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > No, I find that I'm more confused after reading the article than
> > before. The
> > article focuses on how you can effectively set Space Before/After
> > for a
> > group of paragraphs of the same style. The spacing can be suppressed
> > between
> > paragraphs in the same style (but only by checking a box that is
> > unavailable
> > if auto spacing is disabled). If I could get my head around this, I
> > think it
> > would be a vast improvement and make it unnecessary to use so many
> > different
> > styles, but I've never taken the time to play with it and figure out
> > how it
> > works, so I'm still stumbling along with Block Text Begin, Block
> > Text, and
> > Block Text End, for example.
> >
> > And combining the Space Before/After where different styles meet
> > would also
> > be a big help; I've just been working on a document where Heading 2
> > normally
> > follows Body Text. Since Body Text has 6 pts Space After, Heading 2
> > needs
> > only 12 or 18 pts Space Before, but if it follows a table (where the
> > Table
> > Text style has only 3 pts Space After, then the spacing is
> > different. I
> > really need to work with this feature!
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> > newsgroup so
> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:ePAzK7trEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> It doesn't look like the article really covers how both the "Auto"
> >> space option and HML Compatibility option work.
> >>
> >> If you have Auto space set for Paragraph Spacing Before/After, when
> >> you turn on the Tools/Options/Compatibility/Don't use HTML
> >> paragraph
> >> auto spacing option on, Word adjusts Paragraph Spacing Before/After
> >> to
> >> 5 pt.
> >>
> >> If you aren't using Auto space for paragraphs:
> >>
> >> With the HTML Compatibility option turned off (default setting):
> >> Word
> >> sets the spacing between paragraphs to the larger of Spacing
> >> Before/After.
> >>
> >> If you have the HTML Compatibility option turned on: Word uses both
> >> values of Spacing Before/After between paragraphs which is the
> >> functionality of versions of Word prior to Word 2000.
> >> --
> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Beth Melton
> >> Microsoft Office MVP
> >>
> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> news:eSlHewVrEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> > This is one of the features introduced in Word to emulate HTML. I
> >> > believe it
> >> > suppresses the smaller of the Space After of one paragraph and
> >> > the
> >> > Space
> >> > Before of the following paragraph to result in uniform spacing.
> >> > For
> >> > more,
> >> > see "WD2000: How to Use the HTML Paragraph Auto Spacing" at
> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=207893
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> > Words into Type
> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> >> > newsgroup so
> >> > all may benefit.
> >> >
> >> > "Joey" <Joey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:73CF319E-507D-49BA-9D6C-80CCE2BD791B@microsoft.com...
> >> >> How does the value "auto" work in Paragraph Spacing's "Before"
> >> >> and
> >> >> "After"
> >> >> fields? I've searched Word's Help files but there's nothing
> >> >> about
> >> >> how this
> >> >> value works.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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That's how I understand it too. If HTML auto spacing compatibility
option is not enabled then the smaller space will be suppressed
between the paragraphs.
The KB article needs some clarity. Today, after reading very
carefully, I understand it. (MS REALLY needs to work on those negative
options such as "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing". When their
steps include turning "Off" an option that starts with "Don't" it's
just too many negatives. In my head it ends up getting turned "On".
lol)
The article does not emphasize utilizing the Auto space option will
suppress the space between paragraphs that use a List Style only.
Space is not suppressed for a "series of paragraphs" as indicated.
Plus the example does not depict how the result should appear:
Body Text
1. Item one
2. Item two
Body text
Also, where are you finding the "Don't add space" option disabled? If
I use Format/Paragraph then it's always disabled. If I modify a style
and use the Format/Paragraph command then the only time it is disabled
is if I have 0 Before and 0 After.
--
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Microsoft Office MVP
Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23GdveU0rEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> As I understand it here is how it works:
>
> For the example, let us posit three styles: Body Text, Heading 1,
> and Block
> Text, formatted as follows:
>
> 1. Body Text: 6 pts Space After
>
> 2. Heading 1: 18 pts Space Before and 3 pts Space After
>
> 3. Block Text: (Left and Right Indents and) 3 pts Space Before and 3
> pts
> Space After
>
> [Don't worry about whether this spacing actually makes sense!]
>
> You have these paragraphs in the following order:
>
> Body Text
> HEADING 1
> Body Text
> Block Text
> Block Text
> Block Text
> Body Text
>
> 1. If you have HTML auto spacing enabled:
>
> a. You will have 18 pts Space Before Heading 1, but the 6 pts
> After the
> Body Text style will be suppressed, for a total of 18 pts.
>
> b. The 3 pts Before the first Block Text paragraph will be
> subsumed in
> the 6 pts after Body Text, for a total of 6 pts.
>
> c. Presumably the space between the Block Text paragraphs will be
> 3 pts
> (one canceling the other).
>
> d. The final Body Text paragraph will be unaffected (unless it is
> followed by a heading style or some other with Space Before
> exceeding its
> Space After).
>
> 2. If you check the box for "Don't add space between paragraphs of
> the same
> style" for the Block Text style, everything above will be true
> except that
> there will be *no* space between the Block Text paragraphs, just
> before and
> after the group of three paragraphs.
>
> I haven't tested any of this, but this is the behavior I would
> expect based
> on the descriptions I've read (and the way it seems to work in Web
> pages).
> The annoying thing is that the "Don't add space" option is available
> only if
> you have the auto spacing enabled, but I could probably still manage
> to work
> with that. I just need to practice!
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> newsgroup so
> all may benefit.
>
> "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ucGH%237yrEHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Hmmm...I quickly scanned the article earlier but now after I read
>> it
>> closer I think the KB article is wrong. I think it's referring to
>> the
>> option you've described, "Don't add space between paragraphs of the
>> same style" which will only add space before the first paragraph in
>> the group and after the last paragraph in the group.(btw, the only
>> time I see it disabled is when 0 pts Before and After is used)
>>
>> I think an option is still missing, though. A lot of users want is
>> the
>> ability to define space before a group of paragraphs, space between
>> the group, and space after. The "Don't add..." option will suppress
>> all space. It's still a handy option to have but it could stand to
>> be
>> expanded.
>>
>> Anyway, I just don't see how HTML spacing option has anything to
>> with
>> space before or after a group of paragraphs. If it is turned on and
>> "Auto" space is used it will add 5 pts of space between paragraphs
>> that use "Auto" space or use both values of Before/After between
>> paragraphs instead of using the larger of the two.
>> --
>> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
>> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Beth Melton
>> Microsoft Office MVP
>>
>> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
>> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
>> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>>
>>
>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23EmAU%23urEHA.592@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> > No, I find that I'm more confused after reading the article than
>> > before. The
>> > article focuses on how you can effectively set Space Before/After
>> > for a
>> > group of paragraphs of the same style. The spacing can be
>> > suppressed
>> > between
>> > paragraphs in the same style (but only by checking a box that is
>> > unavailable
>> > if auto spacing is disabled). If I could get my head around this,
>> > I
>> > think it
>> > would be a vast improvement and make it unnecessary to use so
>> > many
>> > different
>> > styles, but I've never taken the time to play with it and figure
>> > out
>> > how it
>> > works, so I'm still stumbling along with Block Text Begin, Block
>> > Text, and
>> > Block Text End, for example.
>> >
>> > And combining the Space Before/After where different styles meet
>> > would also
>> > be a big help; I've just been working on a document where Heading
>> > 2
>> > normally
>> > follows Body Text. Since Body Text has 6 pts Space After, Heading
>> > 2
>> > needs
>> > only 12 or 18 pts Space Before, but if it follows a table (where
>> > the
>> > Table
>> > Text style has only 3 pts Space After, then the spacing is
>> > different. I
>> > really need to work with this feature!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> > Words into Type
>> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
>> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
>> > newsgroup so
>> > all may benefit.
>> >
>> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
>> > news:ePAzK7trEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> It doesn't look like the article really covers how both the
>> >> "Auto"
>> >> space option and HML Compatibility option work.
>> >>
>> >> If you have Auto space set for Paragraph Spacing Before/After,
>> >> when
>> >> you turn on the Tools/Options/Compatibility/Don't use HTML
>> >> paragraph
>> >> auto spacing option on, Word adjusts Paragraph Spacing
>> >> Before/After
>> >> to
>> >> 5 pt.
>> >>
>> >> If you aren't using Auto space for paragraphs:
>> >>
>> >> With the HTML Compatibility option turned off (default setting):
>> >> Word
>> >> sets the spacing between paragraphs to the larger of Spacing
>> >> Before/After.
>> >>
>> >> If you have the HTML Compatibility option turned on: Word uses
>> >> both
>> >> values of Spacing Before/After between paragraphs which is the
>> >> functionality of versions of Word prior to Word 2000.
>> >> --
>> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests
>> >> for
>> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>> >>
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> Beth Melton
>> >> Microsoft Office MVP
>> >>
>> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
>> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
>> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> >> news:eSlHewVrEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> > This is one of the features introduced in Word to emulate
>> >> > HTML. I
>> >> > believe it
>> >> > suppresses the smaller of the Space After of one paragraph and
>> >> > the
>> >> > Space
>> >> > Before of the following paragraph to result in uniform
>> >> > spacing.
>> >> > For
>> >> > more,
>> >> > see "WD2000: How to Use the HTML Paragraph Auto Spacing" at
>> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=207893
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> >> > Words into Type
>> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
>> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
>> >> > the
>> >> > newsgroup so
>> >> > all may benefit.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Joey" <Joey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:73CF319E-507D-49BA-9D6C-80CCE2BD791B@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> How does the value "auto" work in Paragraph Spacing's
>> >> >> "Before"
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> "After"
>> >> >> fields? I've searched Word's Help files but there's nothing
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> how this
>> >> >> value works.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
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> Also, where are you finding the "Don't add space" option disabled? If
> I use Format/Paragraph then it's always disabled. If I modify a style
> and use the Format/Paragraph command then the only time it is disabled
> is if I have 0 Before and 0 After.
You're right, of course. Okay, this is opening up new vistas. The next time
I have to create a template of this sort, I'm going to experiment with this.
What I haven't figured out, though, is how to use any combination of these
features to achieve this result.
Heading 1 [18 Before, 3 After]
Body Text [6 After]
Block Text [3 After]
Block Text [3 After]
Block Text [6 After]
Body Text, etc.
What I'd really like is to have just 3 pts between an introductory Body Text
paragraph and the block of Block Text, but I definitely want more space
after the last Block Text paragraph than between them (which is why I end up
with so many styles). I don't see any way of combining Space After/Before or
suppressing space between paragraphs that would help here.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
"Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23gZoe66rEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> That's how I understand it too. If HTML auto spacing compatibility
> option is not enabled then the smaller space will be suppressed
> between the paragraphs.
>
> The KB article needs some clarity. Today, after reading very
> carefully, I understand it. (MS REALLY needs to work on those negative
> options such as "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing". When their
> steps include turning "Off" an option that starts with "Don't" it's
> just too many negatives. In my head it ends up getting turned "On".
> lol)
>
>
>
> The article does not emphasize utilizing the Auto space option will
> suppress the space between paragraphs that use a List Style only.
> Space is not suppressed for a "series of paragraphs" as indicated.
> Plus the example does not depict how the result should appear:
>
>
>
> Body Text
>
>
>
> 1. Item one
>
> 2. Item two
>
>
>
> Body text
>
>
> Also, where are you finding the "Don't add space" option disabled? If
> I use Format/Paragraph then it's always disabled. If I modify a style
> and use the Format/Paragraph command then the only time it is disabled
> is if I have 0 Before and 0 After.
>
> --
> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Beth Melton
> Microsoft Office MVP
>
> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23GdveU0rEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > As I understand it here is how it works:
> >
> > For the example, let us posit three styles: Body Text, Heading 1,
> > and Block
> > Text, formatted as follows:
> >
> > 1. Body Text: 6 pts Space After
> >
> > 2. Heading 1: 18 pts Space Before and 3 pts Space After
> >
> > 3. Block Text: (Left and Right Indents and) 3 pts Space Before and 3
> > pts
> > Space After
> >
> > [Don't worry about whether this spacing actually makes sense!]
> >
> > You have these paragraphs in the following order:
> >
> > Body Text
> > HEADING 1
> > Body Text
> > Block Text
> > Block Text
> > Block Text
> > Body Text
> >
> > 1. If you have HTML auto spacing enabled:
> >
> > a. You will have 18 pts Space Before Heading 1, but the 6 pts
> > After the
> > Body Text style will be suppressed, for a total of 18 pts.
> >
> > b. The 3 pts Before the first Block Text paragraph will be
> > subsumed in
> > the 6 pts after Body Text, for a total of 6 pts.
> >
> > c. Presumably the space between the Block Text paragraphs will be
> > 3 pts
> > (one canceling the other).
> >
> > d. The final Body Text paragraph will be unaffected (unless it is
> > followed by a heading style or some other with Space Before
> > exceeding its
> > Space After).
> >
> > 2. If you check the box for "Don't add space between paragraphs of
> > the same
> > style" for the Block Text style, everything above will be true
> > except that
> > there will be *no* space between the Block Text paragraphs, just
> > before and
> > after the group of three paragraphs.
> >
> > I haven't tested any of this, but this is the behavior I would
> > expect based
> > on the descriptions I've read (and the way it seems to work in Web
> > pages).
> > The annoying thing is that the "Don't add space" option is available
> > only if
> > you have the auto spacing enabled, but I could probably still manage
> > to work
> > with that. I just need to practice!
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> > newsgroup so
> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:ucGH%237yrEHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> Hmmm...I quickly scanned the article earlier but now after I read
> >> it
> >> closer I think the KB article is wrong. I think it's referring to
> >> the
> >> option you've described, "Don't add space between paragraphs of the
> >> same style" which will only add space before the first paragraph in
> >> the group and after the last paragraph in the group.(btw, the only
> >> time I see it disabled is when 0 pts Before and After is used)
> >>
> >> I think an option is still missing, though. A lot of users want is
> >> the
> >> ability to define space before a group of paragraphs, space between
> >> the group, and space after. The "Don't add..." option will suppress
> >> all space. It's still a handy option to have but it could stand to
> >> be
> >> expanded.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I just don't see how HTML spacing option has anything to
> >> with
> >> space before or after a group of paragraphs. If it is turned on and
> >> "Auto" space is used it will add 5 pts of space between paragraphs
> >> that use "Auto" space or use both values of Before/After between
> >> paragraphs instead of using the larger of the two.
> >> --
> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Beth Melton
> >> Microsoft Office MVP
> >>
> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> news:%23EmAU%23urEHA.592@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> > No, I find that I'm more confused after reading the article than
> >> > before. The
> >> > article focuses on how you can effectively set Space Before/After
> >> > for a
> >> > group of paragraphs of the same style. The spacing can be
> >> > suppressed
> >> > between
> >> > paragraphs in the same style (but only by checking a box that is
> >> > unavailable
> >> > if auto spacing is disabled). If I could get my head around this,
> >> > I
> >> > think it
> >> > would be a vast improvement and make it unnecessary to use so
> >> > many
> >> > different
> >> > styles, but I've never taken the time to play with it and figure
> >> > out
> >> > how it
> >> > works, so I'm still stumbling along with Block Text Begin, Block
> >> > Text, and
> >> > Block Text End, for example.
> >> >
> >> > And combining the Space Before/After where different styles meet
> >> > would also
> >> > be a big help; I've just been working on a document where Heading
> >> > 2
> >> > normally
> >> > follows Body Text. Since Body Text has 6 pts Space After, Heading
> >> > 2
> >> > needs
> >> > only 12 or 18 pts Space Before, but if it follows a table (where
> >> > the
> >> > Table
> >> > Text style has only 3 pts Space After, then the spacing is
> >> > different. I
> >> > really need to work with this feature!
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> > Words into Type
> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> >> > newsgroup so
> >> > all may benefit.
> >> >
> >> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> >> > news:ePAzK7trEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> >> It doesn't look like the article really covers how both the
> >> >> "Auto"
> >> >> space option and HML Compatibility option work.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you have Auto space set for Paragraph Spacing Before/After,
> >> >> when
> >> >> you turn on the Tools/Options/Compatibility/Don't use HTML
> >> >> paragraph
> >> >> auto spacing option on, Word adjusts Paragraph Spacing
> >> >> Before/After
> >> >> to
> >> >> 5 pt.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you aren't using Auto space for paragraphs:
> >> >>
> >> >> With the HTML Compatibility option turned off (default setting):
> >> >> Word
> >> >> sets the spacing between paragraphs to the larger of Spacing
> >> >> Before/After.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you have the HTML Compatibility option turned on: Word uses
> >> >> both
> >> >> values of Spacing Before/After between paragraphs which is the
> >> >> functionality of versions of Word prior to Word 2000.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests
> >> >> for
> >> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
> >> >>
> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >> Beth Melton
> >> >> Microsoft Office MVP
> >> >>
> >> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> >> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> >> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> >> news:eSlHewVrEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > This is one of the features introduced in Word to emulate
> >> >> > HTML. I
> >> >> > believe it
> >> >> > suppresses the smaller of the Space After of one paragraph and
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Space
> >> >> > Before of the following paragraph to result in uniform
> >> >> > spacing.
> >> >> > For
> >> >> > more,
> >> >> > see "WD2000: How to Use the HTML Paragraph Auto Spacing" at
> >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=207893
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> >> > Words into Type
> >> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> >> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > newsgroup so
> >> >> > all may benefit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Joey" <Joey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:73CF319E-507D-49BA-9D6C-80CCE2BD791B@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> How does the value "auto" work in Paragraph Spacing's
> >> >> >> "Before"
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> "After"
> >> >> >> fields? I've searched Word's Help files but there's nothing
> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> how this
> >> >> >> value works.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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Exactly. That's the area I think they are still lacking.
They're almost there with the "Don't add space option" but they need
to incorporate the ability to define space before a group, space
between, and space after. Instead of a check box to suppress the space
they could modify it to "Space between paragraphs of the same style"
and allow for more flexibility.
--
Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP
Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OEhRh67rEHA.3396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Also, where are you finding the "Don't add space" option disabled?
>> If
>> I use Format/Paragraph then it's always disabled. If I modify a
>> style
>> and use the Format/Paragraph command then the only time it is
>> disabled
>> is if I have 0 Before and 0 After.
>
> You're right, of course. Okay, this is opening up new vistas. The
> next time
> I have to create a template of this sort, I'm going to experiment
> with this.
> What I haven't figured out, though, is how to use any combination of
> these
> features to achieve this result.
>
> Heading 1 [18 Before, 3 After]
> Body Text [6 After]
> Block Text [3 After]
> Block Text [3 After]
> Block Text [6 After]
> Body Text, etc.
>
> What I'd really like is to have just 3 pts between an introductory
> Body Text
> paragraph and the block of Block Text, but I definitely want more
> space
> after the last Block Text paragraph than between them (which is why
> I end up
> with so many styles). I don't see any way of combining Space
> After/Before or
> suppressing space between paragraphs that would help here.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> newsgroup so
> all may benefit.
>
> "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23gZoe66rEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> That's how I understand it too. If HTML auto spacing compatibility
>> option is not enabled then the smaller space will be suppressed
>> between the paragraphs.
>>
>> The KB article needs some clarity. Today, after reading very
>> carefully, I understand it. (MS REALLY needs to work on those
>> negative
>> options such as "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing". When their
>> steps include turning "Off" an option that starts with "Don't" it's
>> just too many negatives. In my head it ends up getting turned "On".
>> lol)
>>
>>
>>
>> The article does not emphasize utilizing the Auto space option will
>> suppress the space between paragraphs that use a List Style only.
>> Space is not suppressed for a "series of paragraphs" as indicated.
>> Plus the example does not depict how the result should appear:
>>
>>
>>
>> Body Text
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Item one
>>
>> 2. Item two
>>
>>
>>
>> Body text
>>
>>
>> Also, where are you finding the "Don't add space" option disabled?
>> If
>> I use Format/Paragraph then it's always disabled. If I modify a
>> style
>> and use the Format/Paragraph command then the only time it is
>> disabled
>> is if I have 0 Before and 0 After.
>>
>> --
>> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
>> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Beth Melton
>> Microsoft Office MVP
>>
>> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
>> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
>> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>>
>>
>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23GdveU0rEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > As I understand it here is how it works:
>> >
>> > For the example, let us posit three styles: Body Text, Heading 1,
>> > and Block
>> > Text, formatted as follows:
>> >
>> > 1. Body Text: 6 pts Space After
>> >
>> > 2. Heading 1: 18 pts Space Before and 3 pts Space After
>> >
>> > 3. Block Text: (Left and Right Indents and) 3 pts Space Before
>> > and 3
>> > pts
>> > Space After
>> >
>> > [Don't worry about whether this spacing actually makes sense!]
>> >
>> > You have these paragraphs in the following order:
>> >
>> > Body Text
>> > HEADING 1
>> > Body Text
>> > Block Text
>> > Block Text
>> > Block Text
>> > Body Text
>> >
>> > 1. If you have HTML auto spacing enabled:
>> >
>> > a. You will have 18 pts Space Before Heading 1, but the 6 pts
>> > After the
>> > Body Text style will be suppressed, for a total of 18 pts.
>> >
>> > b. The 3 pts Before the first Block Text paragraph will be
>> > subsumed in
>> > the 6 pts after Body Text, for a total of 6 pts.
>> >
>> > c. Presumably the space between the Block Text paragraphs will
>> > be
>> > 3 pts
>> > (one canceling the other).
>> >
>> > d. The final Body Text paragraph will be unaffected (unless it
>> > is
>> > followed by a heading style or some other with Space Before
>> > exceeding its
>> > Space After).
>> >
>> > 2. If you check the box for "Don't add space between paragraphs
>> > of
>> > the same
>> > style" for the Block Text style, everything above will be true
>> > except that
>> > there will be *no* space between the Block Text paragraphs, just
>> > before and
>> > after the group of three paragraphs.
>> >
>> > I haven't tested any of this, but this is the behavior I would
>> > expect based
>> > on the descriptions I've read (and the way it seems to work in
>> > Web
>> > pages).
>> > The annoying thing is that the "Don't add space" option is
>> > available
>> > only if
>> > you have the auto spacing enabled, but I could probably still
>> > manage
>> > to work
>> > with that. I just need to practice!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> > Words into Type
>> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
>> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
>> > newsgroup so
>> > all may benefit.
>> >
>> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
>> > news:ucGH%237yrEHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> Hmmm...I quickly scanned the article earlier but now after I
>> >> read
>> >> it
>> >> closer I think the KB article is wrong. I think it's referring
>> >> to
>> >> the
>> >> option you've described, "Don't add space between paragraphs of
>> >> the
>> >> same style" which will only add space before the first paragraph
>> >> in
>> >> the group and after the last paragraph in the group.(btw, the
>> >> only
>> >> time I see it disabled is when 0 pts Before and After is used)
>> >>
>> >> I think an option is still missing, though. A lot of users want
>> >> is
>> >> the
>> >> ability to define space before a group of paragraphs, space
>> >> between
>> >> the group, and space after. The "Don't add..." option will
>> >> suppress
>> >> all space. It's still a handy option to have but it could stand
>> >> to
>> >> be
>> >> expanded.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I just don't see how HTML spacing option has anything to
>> >> with
>> >> space before or after a group of paragraphs. If it is turned on
>> >> and
>> >> "Auto" space is used it will add 5 pts of space between
>> >> paragraphs
>> >> that use "Auto" space or use both values of Before/After between
>> >> paragraphs instead of using the larger of the two.
>> >> --
>> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests
>> >> for
>> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>> >>
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> Beth Melton
>> >> Microsoft Office MVP
>> >>
>> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
>> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
>> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> >> news:%23EmAU%23urEHA.592@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >> > No, I find that I'm more confused after reading the article
>> >> > than
>> >> > before. The
>> >> > article focuses on how you can effectively set Space
>> >> > Before/After
>> >> > for a
>> >> > group of paragraphs of the same style. The spacing can be
>> >> > suppressed
>> >> > between
>> >> > paragraphs in the same style (but only by checking a box that
>> >> > is
>> >> > unavailable
>> >> > if auto spacing is disabled). If I could get my head around
>> >> > this,
>> >> > I
>> >> > think it
>> >> > would be a vast improvement and make it unnecessary to use so
>> >> > many
>> >> > different
>> >> > styles, but I've never taken the time to play with it and
>> >> > figure
>> >> > out
>> >> > how it
>> >> > works, so I'm still stumbling along with Block Text Begin,
>> >> > Block
>> >> > Text, and
>> >> > Block Text End, for example.
>> >> >
>> >> > And combining the Space Before/After where different styles
>> >> > meet
>> >> > would also
>> >> > be a big help; I've just been working on a document where
>> >> > Heading
>> >> > 2
>> >> > normally
>> >> > follows Body Text. Since Body Text has 6 pts Space After,
>> >> > Heading
>> >> > 2
>> >> > needs
>> >> > only 12 or 18 pts Space Before, but if it follows a table
>> >> > (where
>> >> > the
>> >> > Table
>> >> > Text style has only 3 pts Space After, then the spacing is
>> >> > different. I
>> >> > really need to work with this feature!
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> >> > Words into Type
>> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
>> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
>> >> > the
>> >> > newsgroup so
>> >> > all may benefit.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
>> >> > news:ePAzK7trEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> It doesn't look like the article really covers how both the
>> >> >> "Auto"
>> >> >> space option and HML Compatibility option work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you have Auto space set for Paragraph Spacing
>> >> >> Before/After,
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> you turn on the Tools/Options/Compatibility/Don't use HTML
>> >> >> paragraph
>> >> >> auto spacing option on, Word adjusts Paragraph Spacing
>> >> >> Before/After
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> 5 pt.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you aren't using Auto space for paragraphs:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> With the HTML Compatibility option turned off (default
>> >> >> setting):
>> >> >> Word
>> >> >> sets the spacing between paragraphs to the larger of Spacing
>> >> >> Before/After.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you have the HTML Compatibility option turned on: Word
>> >> >> uses
>> >> >> both
>> >> >> values of Spacing Before/After between paragraphs which is
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> functionality of versions of Word prior to Word 2000.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup.
>> >> >> Requests
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >> Beth Melton
>> >> >> Microsoft Office MVP
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
>> >> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
>> >> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:eSlHewVrEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > This is one of the features introduced in Word to emulate
>> >> >> > HTML. I
>> >> >> > believe it
>> >> >> > suppresses the smaller of the Space After of one paragraph
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Space
>> >> >> > Before of the following paragraph to result in uniform
>> >> >> > spacing.
>> >> >> > For
>> >> >> > more,
>> >> >> > see "WD2000: How to Use the HTML Paragraph Auto Spacing" at
>> >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=207893
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> >> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> >> >> > Words into Type
>> >> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> >> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
>> >> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > newsgroup so
>> >> >> > all may benefit.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Joey" <Joey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:73CF319E-507D-49BA-9D6C-80CCE2BD791B@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> How does the value "auto" work in Paragraph Spacing's
>> >> >> >> "Before"
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> "After"
>> >> >> >> fields? I've searched Word's Help files but there's
>> >> >> >> nothing
>> >> >> >> about
>> >> >> >> how this
>> >> >> >> value works.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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Good suggestion! Add it to the Wish List?
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
news:%231ZXPk8rEHA.1816@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Exactly. That's the area I think they are still lacking.
>
> They're almost there with the "Don't add space option" but they need
> to incorporate the ability to define space before a group, space
> between, and space after. Instead of a check box to suppress the space
> they could modify it to "Space between paragraphs of the same style"
> and allow for more flexibility.
>
> --
> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Beth Melton
> Microsoft Office MVP
>
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>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OEhRh67rEHA.3396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> Also, where are you finding the "Don't add space" option disabled?
> >> If
> >> I use Format/Paragraph then it's always disabled. If I modify a
> >> style
> >> and use the Format/Paragraph command then the only time it is
> >> disabled
> >> is if I have 0 Before and 0 After.
> >
> > You're right, of course. Okay, this is opening up new vistas. The
> > next time
> > I have to create a template of this sort, I'm going to experiment
> > with this.
> > What I haven't figured out, though, is how to use any combination of
> > these
> > features to achieve this result.
> >
> > Heading 1 [18 Before, 3 After]
> > Body Text [6 After]
> > Block Text [3 After]
> > Block Text [3 After]
> > Block Text [6 After]
> > Body Text, etc.
> >
> > What I'd really like is to have just 3 pts between an introductory
> > Body Text
> > paragraph and the block of Block Text, but I definitely want more
> > space
> > after the last Block Text paragraph than between them (which is why
> > I end up
> > with so many styles). I don't see any way of combining Space
> > After/Before or
> > suppressing space between paragraphs that would help here.
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> > newsgroup so
> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:%23gZoe66rEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> That's how I understand it too. If HTML auto spacing compatibility
> >> option is not enabled then the smaller space will be suppressed
> >> between the paragraphs.
> >>
> >> The KB article needs some clarity. Today, after reading very
> >> carefully, I understand it. (MS REALLY needs to work on those
> >> negative
> >> options such as "Don't use HTML paragraph auto spacing". When their
> >> steps include turning "Off" an option that starts with "Don't" it's
> >> just too many negatives. In my head it ends up getting turned "On".
> >> lol)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The article does not emphasize utilizing the Auto space option will
> >> suppress the space between paragraphs that use a List Style only.
> >> Space is not suppressed for a "series of paragraphs" as indicated.
> >> Plus the example does not depict how the result should appear:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Body Text
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Item one
> >>
> >> 2. Item two
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Body text
> >>
> >>
> >> Also, where are you finding the "Don't add space" option disabled?
> >> If
> >> I use Format/Paragraph then it's always disabled. If I modify a
> >> style
> >> and use the Format/Paragraph command then the only time it is
> >> disabled
> >> is if I have 0 Before and 0 After.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Beth Melton
> >> Microsoft Office MVP
> >>
> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> news:%23GdveU0rEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> > As I understand it here is how it works:
> >> >
> >> > For the example, let us posit three styles: Body Text, Heading 1,
> >> > and Block
> >> > Text, formatted as follows:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Body Text: 6 pts Space After
> >> >
> >> > 2. Heading 1: 18 pts Space Before and 3 pts Space After
> >> >
> >> > 3. Block Text: (Left and Right Indents and) 3 pts Space Before
> >> > and 3
> >> > pts
> >> > Space After
> >> >
> >> > [Don't worry about whether this spacing actually makes sense!]
> >> >
> >> > You have these paragraphs in the following order:
> >> >
> >> > Body Text
> >> > HEADING 1
> >> > Body Text
> >> > Block Text
> >> > Block Text
> >> > Block Text
> >> > Body Text
> >> >
> >> > 1. If you have HTML auto spacing enabled:
> >> >
> >> > a. You will have 18 pts Space Before Heading 1, but the 6 pts
> >> > After the
> >> > Body Text style will be suppressed, for a total of 18 pts.
> >> >
> >> > b. The 3 pts Before the first Block Text paragraph will be
> >> > subsumed in
> >> > the 6 pts after Body Text, for a total of 6 pts.
> >> >
> >> > c. Presumably the space between the Block Text paragraphs will
> >> > be
> >> > 3 pts
> >> > (one canceling the other).
> >> >
> >> > d. The final Body Text paragraph will be unaffected (unless it
> >> > is
> >> > followed by a heading style or some other with Space Before
> >> > exceeding its
> >> > Space After).
> >> >
> >> > 2. If you check the box for "Don't add space between paragraphs
> >> > of
> >> > the same
> >> > style" for the Block Text style, everything above will be true
> >> > except that
> >> > there will be *no* space between the Block Text paragraphs, just
> >> > before and
> >> > after the group of three paragraphs.
> >> >
> >> > I haven't tested any of this, but this is the behavior I would
> >> > expect based
> >> > on the descriptions I've read (and the way it seems to work in
> >> > Web
> >> > pages).
> >> > The annoying thing is that the "Don't add space" option is
> >> > available
> >> > only if
> >> > you have the auto spacing enabled, but I could probably still
> >> > manage
> >> > to work
> >> > with that. I just need to practice!
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> > Words into Type
> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> >> > newsgroup so
> >> > all may benefit.
> >> >
> >> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> >> > news:ucGH%237yrEHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Hmmm...I quickly scanned the article earlier but now after I
> >> >> read
> >> >> it
> >> >> closer I think the KB article is wrong. I think it's referring
> >> >> to
> >> >> the
> >> >> option you've described, "Don't add space between paragraphs of
> >> >> the
> >> >> same style" which will only add space before the first paragraph
> >> >> in
> >> >> the group and after the last paragraph in the group.(btw, the
> >> >> only
> >> >> time I see it disabled is when 0 pts Before and After is used)
> >> >>
> >> >> I think an option is still missing, though. A lot of users want
> >> >> is
> >> >> the
> >> >> ability to define space before a group of paragraphs, space
> >> >> between
> >> >> the group, and space after. The "Don't add..." option will
> >> >> suppress
> >> >> all space. It's still a handy option to have but it could stand
> >> >> to
> >> >> be
> >> >> expanded.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway, I just don't see how HTML spacing option has anything to
> >> >> with
> >> >> space before or after a group of paragraphs. If it is turned on
> >> >> and
> >> >> "Auto" space is used it will add 5 pts of space between
> >> >> paragraphs
> >> >> that use "Auto" space or use both values of Before/After between
> >> >> paragraphs instead of using the larger of the two.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests
> >> >> for
> >> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
> >> >>
> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >> Beth Melton
> >> >> Microsoft Office MVP
> >> >>
> >> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> >> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> >> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> >> news:%23EmAU%23urEHA.592@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > No, I find that I'm more confused after reading the article
> >> >> > than
> >> >> > before. The
> >> >> > article focuses on how you can effectively set Space
> >> >> > Before/After
> >> >> > for a
> >> >> > group of paragraphs of the same style. The spacing can be
> >> >> > suppressed
> >> >> > between
> >> >> > paragraphs in the same style (but only by checking a box that
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > unavailable
> >> >> > if auto spacing is disabled). If I could get my head around
> >> >> > this,
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > think it
> >> >> > would be a vast improvement and make it unnecessary to use so
> >> >> > many
> >> >> > different
> >> >> > styles, but I've never taken the time to play with it and
> >> >> > figure
> >> >> > out
> >> >> > how it
> >> >> > works, so I'm still stumbling along with Block Text Begin,
> >> >> > Block
> >> >> > Text, and
> >> >> > Block Text End, for example.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And combining the Space Before/After where different styles
> >> >> > meet
> >> >> > would also
> >> >> > be a big help; I've just been working on a document where
> >> >> > Heading
> >> >> > 2
> >> >> > normally
> >> >> > follows Body Text. Since Body Text has 6 pts Space After,
> >> >> > Heading
> >> >> > 2
> >> >> > needs
> >> >> > only 12 or 18 pts Space Before, but if it follows a table
> >> >> > (where
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Table
> >> >> > Text style has only 3 pts Space After, then the spacing is
> >> >> > different. I
> >> >> > really need to work with this feature!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> >> > Words into Type
> >> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> >> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > newsgroup so
> >> >> > all may benefit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Beth Melton" <bmelton@NoSpam4Memvps.org> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:ePAzK7trEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> It doesn't look like the article really covers how both the
> >> >> >> "Auto"
> >> >> >> space option and HML Compatibility option work.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you have Auto space set for Paragraph Spacing
> >> >> >> Before/After,
> >> >> >> when
> >> >> >> you turn on the Tools/Options/Compatibility/Don't use HTML
> >> >> >> paragraph
> >> >> >> auto spacing option on, Word adjusts Paragraph Spacing
> >> >> >> Before/After
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> 5 pt.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you aren't using Auto space for paragraphs:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> With the HTML Compatibility option turned off (default
> >> >> >> setting):
> >> >> >> Word
> >> >> >> sets the spacing between paragraphs to the larger of Spacing
> >> >> >> Before/After.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you have the HTML Compatibility option turned on: Word
> >> >> >> uses
> >> >> >> both
> >> >> >> values of Spacing Before/After between paragraphs which is
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> functionality of versions of Word prior to Word 2000.
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup.
> >> >> >> Requests
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >> >> Beth Melton
> >> >> >> Microsoft Office MVP
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
> >> >> >> TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> >> >> >> MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:eSlHewVrEHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > This is one of the features introduced in Word to emulate
> >> >> >> > HTML. I
> >> >> >> > believe it
> >> >> >> > suppresses the smaller of the Space After of one paragraph
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > Space
> >> >> >> > Before of the following paragraph to result in uniform
> >> >> >> > spacing.
> >> >> >> > For
> >> >> >> > more,
> >> >> >> > see "WD2000: How to Use the HTML Paragraph Auto Spacing" at
> >> >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=207893
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> >> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> >> >> > Words into Type
> >> >> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> >> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> >> >> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > newsgroup so
> >> >> >> > all may benefit.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Joey" <Joey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:73CF319E-507D-49BA-9D6C-80CCE2BD791B@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> How does the value "auto" work in Paragraph Spacing's
> >> >> >> >> "Before"
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> "After"
> >> >> >> >> fields? I've searched Word's Help files but there's
> >> >> >> >> nothing
> >> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> how this
> >> >> >> >> value works.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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