Windows Internet Explorer 8 Expert Zone Chat (January 22, 2009)
Chat Topic: Windows Internet Explorer 8 Expert Zone Chat
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009
Please note: Portions of this transcript have been edited for clarity.
Thanks to Steve_web for providing the January Chat Transcript!
Introductions:
Daniel (Moderator):
Hello and thanks for coming to our Internet Explorer 8 beta chat for January. Before we get started, I'd like to have our chat Experts introduce themselves...
Allison [MSFT] (Expert):
Hi, this is Allison and I have been working on the Technical Beta Program. (By the way my favourite donut is Chocolate Maple).
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert)
Hi, I'm the IE Platform Architect. My favorite donut is chocolate old-fashioned.
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Hi, This is Frank and I work on IE user experience and compatibility (Favorite donut is pink coconut).
Helen [MSFT] (Expert):
Hi everyone! I'm Helen and I work on the User Experience team on tabs and favorites. My favorite donut is the chocolate frosted!
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Hi, I'm John Hrvatin and I'm a program manager working on the developer tools. My favorite doughnut is iced chocolate.
Harel Williams[MSFT]
Hi, I am a PM on User Experience and on such features as High DPI and Zoom. My favorite donut is the meat donut.
Kristen MSFT (Expert):
Hi everyone! I'm Kristen and I work on the IE8 Feedback and Release Team. Thanks for joining today!
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Hi, I'm Travis Leithead. I do lots of things related to HTML. I liked glazed donuts
Start of chat:
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: Will there be differences between ie8 on vista and on windows 7?
A: The bits we ship on Win7 vs. Vista vs. XP are virtually the same, but we do take advantage of specific features of each individual operating system.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [10] there is a nasty scrolling bug with ie8 partner build which i submitted to the bug database. i saw it has been closed with no real reason as to why. is this fixed in the next build?
A: If you have the bug number I can follow up on it for you. Thanks!
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [14] I recently was testing in IE8, and a JavaScript error was flagged. The problem was, the error was "error on line 13", but no other information, error type, the JavaScript file, nothing. This was on a page uses about 10 external JavaScript libraries.
A: Did you try debugging with the developer tools? Open the tools with F12, switch to the Script tab, and press Start Debugging. then run the scenario that generates the error. you should break on the line with the error.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [15] SWQ2: Zooming pages in IE8 PR1 with iframes that contain tables - causes text and images to overflow table cell boundaries. Will this be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: There is a known issue where we do not re-layout iframes on pages that are rendered in IE7 Strict. Are you seeing this behavior in IE8 mode?
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [36] SWQ14: SLOW AS MOLASIS New tab opening. Glad someone at MSFT FINALLY ADMITTED THIS IS A BUG! FeedbackID=366238 Too bad its marked as "By Design"
A: Open Tools - Manage Add-ons: Take a look at your add-ons, and the 'load time' column.Each time IE opens a new tab, it needs to intialize the add-ons you have installed - If you have a lot of add-ons, or slow add-ons, IE tab creation time will be slow. It sounds like you have a slow add-on - use Manage Add-ons to find it.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [20] SWQ4: Zooming pages in IE8 PR1 causes vertical LI items to merge together (text size increases, but not the gap) - this fixes itself if display is set to hide, then block on the container. Will this be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: Is a bug submitted on this? I'll follow up on this.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [5] How do you see IE's relationship to .NET? Have you considered converting some or all of the browser to managed code?
A: moving some or all of the browser to managed code has been discussed before, of course. It's not a trivial matter, though, as IE contains (and connects to) a LOT of unmanaged code, and transitions between managed and unmanaged can be quite expensive. I expect we will interface with managed code better in the future, but I don't expect large portions of IE to be written in managed code any time very soon.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [9] Any plans to support CSS' border-radius, eg. -ms-border-radius:5px; ? Firefox and Safari have -khtml- and -moz- implementations which we can use to do rounded corners without images or sprites, and improve performance ie. http://preview.tinyurl.com/9y3tfn/
A: border-radius is high on the wish list, but will not be in IE8.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [1] Why the YDomainRequest is restricted to http, and https? Why I cannot use it from a custom pluggable protocol?
A: Uh, XDomainRequest? We tried to focus on the most common scenarios, and also scenarios that were previously supported in XMLHttpRequest. Therefore we restrict the protocols that can be used. Opening this up to pluggable protocols is something we can consider for a future release.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [12] How long after IE8 will be the next release with (non-security, non-anti-crashing) rendering engine changes?
A: We don't have an announced timeframe for the next release after IE8 yet. We're pretty focused on getting IE8 out the door right now. :)
Kristen MSFT (Expert):
Q: [7] i submitted a bug about netsuite and not being able to use drop down menus due to javascript errors. i was told that there is no way to verify this since you can't log in. is there any way you can get some type of test account through netsuite and test it
A: Do you have the Connect Feedback ID by chance so that I can review the bug?
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [28] SWQ8: Scrolling performance on zoomed pages is horribly slow - has this been fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: It is much better now. I use IE at 125% zoom daily.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [19] When I find a page that requires the compatibility view to work, how do i go about finding out what needs to be fixed for it to work?
A: as an end user, the best method is to report the page using this tool: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?fa milyid=A950A427-D16C-4379-B641-2F319A69F70D&displa ylang=en. if you're a web dev and want to understand the problem more, you should try to reduce the page to the minimal HTML, CSS, and javascript to narrow down the problem. we do this internally a lot and rely heavily on the built-in developer tools and Fiddler. in many cases simply giving IE8 CSS2.1 compliant styling resolves the problem.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [23] SWQ5: Zooming pages in IE8 PR1 with iframes causes the iframe scrollbars to pixelate. Will this be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: We enlarge scrollbars for iframes on zoom. The fact that the theming starts to pixelate is because the underlying resources of Windows aren't built for zoom. We are looking into getting Windows to provide higher res support for themes in the future.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [53] Re: [9], border-radius: Unfortunate news, but thanks. Was hoping for support on this as it would save much grief w/modern design elements using rounded corners, etc. If possible, please keep this one high in your list of features for the next release.
A: Absolutely will keep border-radius high on list of features for next release. Thanks for the input (helps confirm its importance).
Allison [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [27] When will the IE 8 RC1 be open to the public? I guess just the Beta 2 is released
A: We will release one more public update of IE8 (RC1) in the first quarter of 2009, and then follow that up with the final release. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/11/19/ie8-wh0at-s-after-beta-2.aspx
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [51] (6) Can someone say me how IE does match CSS rules to elements ? Do you look for all rules matching an element, or do you find all elements matching a rule ?
A: More the former than the latter, but it's complicated due to caching.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [29] (3) Almost all others browsers are now considering JScript compilation. Safari introduced SquirrelFish and last week SquirrelFish extreme in reaction to V8. Mozilla have also started working on ScreamingMonkey. Will IE9 have a new JScript engine ?
A: We're certainly focusing heavily on improving Javascript, in IE8 and beyond. I'd expect to see great things here in the future.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [8] Hello. I wanted to ask you about things about ECMAScript. I know the IETeam currently don't focus on JScript for IE8, but I've some questions for IE8/IE9. (1) Will Object.defineProperty works on all "new Object()", or only for the DOM Objects ?
A: Actually, we did put some very focused efforts into JScript for IE8--mostly around upgrading performance. We also fixed a few bugs here and there. To answer your question about defineProperty, in IE8 we only support DOM objects, but would like to extend this support in a future release. For more info see: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd229916(V S.85).aspx
Allison [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [24] I've been trying to get in contact with the IE dev team regarding a important bug that was introduced in IE8 RC1. This bug affects systems like Wordpress, Joomla etc and it persists even if you opt-in to IE 7. How do I proceed?
A: You can join the IE8 Technical Beta Progam which enables you to file bugs directly to the IE Team. Just send me your email address SMILEY :)
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [38] SWQ16: Is native SVG support on the roadmap for IE9.
A: We haven't published a roadmap for IE.next yet. We have heard a strong request for SVG support, though.
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [54] How can I see web page without the compatibility mode, all the website including Microsoft's are all using that mode
A: If you open up the Developer Toolbar (f12) you can switch the rendering mode
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [11] (2) Are you planning to implements ECMAScript 3.1 Arrays and Function prototypes in IE8 ? If yes, which functions will be new ? If no, are you planinng it for IE 9 ?
A: For IE8, no we're not planning on implementing the array extras (I think that's what you're asking). I'd like to get to that in a future release.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [42] Following IE 8, can we expect out-of-band updates to features like the developer tools, or will it all be saved up for IE 9?
A: Developer tools might be an interesting place to issue out-of-band updates. In general, though, I would expect us NOT to release platform features in OOB updates, as it complexifies the test/development matrix for web developers.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [46] harel williams: bug #387559 is in regards to the scrolling issue.
A: Thanks, I'll check it out.
Allison [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [47] i have submitted bug #387565 as well and it says it was resolved postponed, what does this mean?
A: Postponed means that unfortunately we will not be fixing this in IE8, but we will be considering it for the next release of IE.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [39] (4) Will you introduce Threading context in IE9 so that a script running 'while(true)' don't freeze the page ?
A: that's an architectural change we'll look at. this would also allow us to run the script debugger in the same window as IE. however, right now we're focused on finishing up IE8 so don't have any specifics for IE9.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [13] SWQ1: Will critical regression bug window.resize events not firing on iframes be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: Yes, it will be fixed. I can't remember if we got the fix into the RC1 build, or if it will go out in RTM. In either case, thanks for the bug.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [61] RE : (6) So, IE does some caching. Its an interesting to know to optimise CSS. What kind of things are you caching exactly (not in details) ?
A: The caching is primarily to support things like sharing formatting information across sibling elements (when they don't have different styles or default styles)
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [56] @Q28: It is still horrible in IE8 PR1 (note, all bugs I filed today in the chat are for IE8 PR1)
A: What is the version number in help-about?
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [18] Will <script type="application/javascript"> be supported? What about textContent? It's very annoying to have to use innerText for IE when textContent works on every other browser.
A: We've definitely received this feedback. Originally we weren't planning on adding this feature, thinking we could use it in the future to enable an "improved" JS engine. However, we've recently re-evaluated that position. If we haven't added those strings this release, I'm pretty confident that we'll get them in a future release.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [59] If I install RC1, will it automatically be updated to the final version via Windows Update or will I have to uninstall/reinstall when the final version is released?
A: the blog has info on windows update delivery at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/01/06/ie8-bl ocker-toolkit-available-today.aspx. i expect this to upgrade RC1 users as well as IE7 users. keep in mind, though, that we throttle windows update so not everyone is offered IE8 the immediately at release.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [55] Harel: in P-RC1 deviceXDPI/logical no longer precisely gives zoom at "in between" levels. Even though there are detectable changes to the page. Seems to be a WPF rounding thing. What's needed is for deviceXDPI to be a floating point value. Can do?
A: Can you provide an example where this type of exactness is required? I'll check to see if there are discernable differences between IE7 and IE8 implementations of these properties. You are right though, our rounding in general has become more precise and has led to slight changes across the board in this regard.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [21] Please fix the error reporting to at least show more relevant info and save me HOURS of putting in alert statements still! I mean, this is 2009, right?
A: Some of the error message have already been improved. Have you tried using console.log? This is a great way to instrument in the style of alert statements, but without having the blocking UI.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [65] having problem with the DVD WR drive , it is not working , does not rec cd/dvd format , now it does not read dvd/cd at all.please advise
A: aundray, we're focused on Internet Explorer discussion this morning.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [33] I cant Windows to updat I have tried everything the website tells me to do.... I get a erorr message in one 0x8DDD0018... When I try to turn it on..... When I do it by going to run ther typing services.msc it wont started it it goes back to stops? why ?
A: This might help: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910337
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [22] Increasingly, MS projects are providing development roadmaps of planned features and early access to builds, can we ever expect an equivalent level of openness from the IE team?
A: I certainly hope so. I believe that we need to be more open in regard to the web platform (Trident), to get earlier developer engagement, community testing, etc. A few of us here are certainly thinking about this, and how to make it happen.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [63] I've got an idea how to slove the problem with the delay of opening tabs: If I open a new tab, IE should recognize, that the user opened a new tab. So IE should firstly open the tab, and after then beginning loading (slow) addons.
A: there may be ways to make the process more efficient and we've been working on that in IE8. the problem with just changing the order is that we just move the problem. now users would have perf problems interacting with the page or making a second navigation. there may also be add-ons that depend on being loaded prior to page navigation which we'd break. so it's definitely an area that could use optimization, but it's tricky.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):Q: [68] ok bye
A: Adamz, I'm afraid we can't give you much guidance with that to go on. I'd suggest trying IE7 again, personally, but barring that re-install IE6.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [25] SWQ6: Will the select list de-theming (drop arrow) be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: I believe this is fixed in RC1. You should be able to verify this when we release the bits.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [4] Could you tell me how to repair IE6? I'm missing all but the address bar. No toolbars or menus to chose from. This has been going on since I reverted to IE 6 after third party software issues with IE 7.
A: Adamz, I'm afraid we can't give you much guidance with that to go on. I'd suggest trying IE7 again, personally, but barring that re-install IE6.
Kristen MSFT (Expert):
Q: [52] q7: bug #387054 regarding netsuite.
A: Thanks for the bug number. We make requests to external sites for assistance with "customer" test accounts for their site, however often we don't receive any response and are blocked on our end.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [26] SWQ7: Will the auto-focus blue ring on [button] elements (in IE8 PR1) be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: Can you point to a repro page--I'm not familiar with this one...
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [71] RE: (6) Thanks for the information.
A: Thanks for the questions!
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [70] Are there any specifics you can share regarding standards support (spec. CSS support) in IE8, or is this still a moving target? Also, will RC1 be installable on Windows 7 PDC or Beta builds?
A: Our target for CSS support in IE8 is full and complete support for CSS2.1, and I think we're on track for that. And IE8 RC1 will NOT install on Win7 beta builds (or PDC builds).
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [30] SWQ9: Will the big blurry drop arrow beside the Back/Forward navigation arrows (when there is no history) be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: This looks good to me (running High-DPI in Win7 latest builds)... so basically it should look nice by RTM (don't know if this is fixed in the RC1 build though...)
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [58] Is there any chance of publishing your wanted list of features for the next release?
A: I'm hoping we can publish our prioritization of much-asked-for features, but no promises yet.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [34] SWQ12: Will the inset frame border regression bug in IE8 PR1 be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: We've tried to fix the "off by 2 pixels" bug for IE8 mode only (left the bug in for Compatibility view). We've had a few glitches here and there and we're working to address them all by the time we ship.
Helen [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [35] SWQ13: The status bar in IE8 PR1 still has regions (left of the zone) that are blank, but open windows and menus when clicked/dbl-clicked on - will this be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: Great feedback. Thanks for your suggestion!
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [67] Re:Q56: Version 8.0.6001.18344
A: We're trying to make zoomed browsing usable on all modern hardware, but there will always be a perf/cpu/power cost involved in resizing images. If you prefer, you can browse at 100% zoom (ctrl+0) and use large fonts mode.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [60] IE8 strict no longer supports the getClientRects() collection. (Just found this out because I had reason to use it.) Why'd you ditch it? It had some text-maipulating advantages?
A: Hmm, that shouldn't be the case. Which build are you using?
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [73] Re:Q63 - @Chris, it shouldn't be too hard to just skip all addon initialization for the specific URLs "about:blank" and "about:tabs".... no addon's should have rights over these pages anyway.
A: But then you'll have to initialize the add-ons for the next page navigate... SMILEY :)
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [72] Are any CSS 3 modules going to be in IE8 at all, at least in part, or is just only things that are based upon pre-existing IE implementations?
A: I believe the only CSS3 module in IE8 is writing-mode (for vertical text support).
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [37] SWQ15: I'm rather disappointed that the window.prompt() dialog has never been fixed in the past decade (FeedbackID=333954). Is there not an intern or something that can take 30min to fix this?
A: Ha ha! If we could grab an intern, I'm sure they'd love to fix it! Seriously though, that dialog does need a refresh. There's a few others we'd like to update as well, but we've kind of run out of time for this release (see also, Properties Dialogs, Insert Hyperlink dialog, Insert Image dialog, etc. It's these out-of-the-way UI dialogs that tend to get forgotten...
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [40] SWQ17: Regression - some GIF images render oddly (stuck pixels every 'n' in a repeat) in IE8 when applied to Table cells that clear up on an image swap (and re-swap). will this be fixed in RC1 or RTM?
A: I've seen some of these issues in the past. I think we've fixed them all though.
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Q: [31] SWQ10: Seriously - Permanent Public Bug Tracking - Will it exist after IE8 RTM (please note, I will *NOT* do any future QA work for IE without this in place)
A: We are always considering better methods of communicating re: bugs with the community. We will do our best to provide optimal channels of communication for IE8 RTW and beyond. We'll be sure to keep you posted!
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [41] SWQ18: Regression - Some styles applied via classes (generated and added to elements after page load) do not apply to the rendered page until it receives focus by the user.
A: Yes, we had a bug in our propertychange handler for className that wasn't being applied correctly. I believe that issue is fixed.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [78] what exactly is the difference between viewing a site in IE8, and compatibility mode ?
A: in compatibility mode, IE reports itself as IE7 in the user agent string and in the version vector so conditional comments evaluate as if it was IE7. compact mode also tells IE to render web pages by default in IE7 Standards Mode (which closely matches IE7) whereas IE8 defaults to IE8 Standards Mode
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [80] @Chris: <useless_pedant>But writing-mode isn't in any current CSS3 module WD, only obsolete drafts of Text (though with the intention of being re-added, IIRC).</useless_pedant>
A: Yup. Will make it challenging because we'll have to re-formulate to follow eventual draft. But we've had vertical text support since IE5.0, and we needed to keep supporting the feature area, so we did the best we could.
Jane [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [75] I know, the official version is "It's not possible to install the current Build of IE8 in Windows 7 Beta 1". BUT, technically with hax etc. should this be possible, but naturally unsupported by Microsoft. Please tell me how to (Query?)!? ;p
A: IE8 does not install on Windows 7 since IE8 is already in Windows 7. The IE8 installer that you get from Microsoft Download center is specifically designed for Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003. I don't recommend you try to hack the installer to get it to work on Win7. You will end up in an unsupported state with not all binaries updated properly.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [77] (7) You've said CSS JScript-Expression would dead in IE8. I wasn't particularly happy of this, but I understand your view on this question. But I think that IE8.7000(Seven) has the expressions enabled in IE8-mode ? Is that possible (and by design) or not ?
A: i assume by IE8.7000 you mean IE8 in Win7 Beta. CSS expressions should also be disabled there. if not, that's a bug you shoudl report.
A: Huh. I was just looking at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms536435(V S.85).aspx and it says it behaves a little differently in IE8 mode, but it should still "work".
Helen [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [79] This is a bit offtopic, but does anyone know where Paul Cutsinger is? I'm waiting for his E-Mail response since 3 weeks...
A: Paul has been working extremely hard on shipping an amazing product. I'm sure your mail is on his list of things-to-do and I'll give him an extra nudge to look at your mail.
JMann [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: I've filed a bug report on the soft-hyphen &shy; or &#173, causing irregular letter-spacing - a real pain when working with justified columns of text. Please fix! Firefox handles it fine, let's interoperate, eh?
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [84] @Travis: Well, if you want to grab an intern, there may well be me next year :P
A: Cool. The Internet Explorer team is a great place to work. (You've got to have a thick skin though :-)
Jane [MSFT] (Expert):Q: [81] Whats the support plan for IE8 on Microsoft Windows platforms? (i.e. Windows 2000, WindowsXP, Windows Vista, etc...)
A: IE8 is supported on Windows XP SP2 or higher, Windows Server 2003 SP2 or higher, Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 for the life of those operating systems.
JMann [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [74] I've filed a bug report on the soft-hyphen &shy; or &#173, causing irregular letter-spacing - a real pain when working with justified columns of text. Please fix! Firefox handles it fine, let's interoperate, eh?
A: We will definitely consider this bug and evaluate fixing it.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [92] But why use the compatibility mode at all, we never had this before, and web page always appears correctly on any version
A: If you don't have any compatibility problems, then we're delighted! Don't use compatibility mode at all!
Allison [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [66] allison re: 387565, i don't understand how this cannot be fixed. this bug was introduced to the most recent partner build. is it not something that can be undone for the sake of usability? it is a very nuiscance bug.
A: We receive a lot of issues through our various feedback mechanisms and need to make tough calls to which bugs we fix at this point in our product cycle. We do appreciate you filing this issue.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [64] Re: Q13 - if you mean the IE8 PR1 release, then no, iframe.resize events STILL don't fire... if you are talking about the upcoming public release, great I look forward to it.
A: Yep. I think we got the feedback after releasing the IE8 PR1. Thanks!
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [89] How does the latest news of the Microsoft downsizing going to affect the Internet Explorer Team (if at all)??
A: No effect that we're aware of.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [57] RE: my earlier question about cookies. I do have a connect feedback number: 392032.
A: all i can say right now is thank you for filing the report and please keep an eye for the RC1 build.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [82] Re: Q26 - Any page with a button element (not an input type="button" ;) will repro this... just view the same page side by side in IE7(or any other browser) then IE8 PR1... (looking for a test case now)
A: Hmm. Point to to a repro. I'm not sure what the 'blue ring' is.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [90] hello, i have a Video file that I want to open but its file name ends .BUP how can I open the file to see the video?
A: Javi, BUP files are a backup information file from a DVD - I don't think it actually contains video, but at any rate, you need to check your DVD playing software. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BUP.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [95] @89: That's good to hear Chris. If any team there at Microsoft needs to stay the course, and be enlarged even, its your team. Good Luck!! :)
A: Thanks!
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [96] entire msft team, thanks for continuing the development of ie. i'm a diehard ie fan and do not use any other browser except when im on my apple laptop lol. thanks again guys. i'm out as my questions have been answered.
A: Thanks Nocturnal!
Kristen MSFT (Expert):
Q: [86] I tried to sign up for Connect, but it was asking for a lot of information, like my home address, that I didn't feel comfortable providing. Can the sign-up procedure be simplified?
A: I totally understand your concern here. I can't recall off the top of my head if this information is mandatory or not, but I don't believe you need to provide all information to register. Additionally, option you can select to not be contacted by Microsoft through any information you provide in the MS connect registration.
Jane [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [17] We've had a terrible time with cookie persistence when automatically opening a new IE8 window in Partner Build. Newly opened windows consistently "forget" cookie values after 1-2 minutes. Was not a problem in Beta 2. What changed with cookie mgmt in PB?
A: There are some known issues with cookie persistence that we are addressing in the next IE8 release.
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [85] When changing an image .src (currently a static GIF) to an animated .GIF image (one which has been preloaded, perhaps related), the animation does not seem to run. Regression from IE 7, I believe?
A: Hmm--haven't heard of that. Do you have a bug number or repro?
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [98] But the browser is still using the compatibility mode, I can still see the icon beside the address, how do I get rid of that mode, I tried the F12, but it does nothing at all
A: Right-click on the address-bar-tab frame and de-select "Compatibility View Button", and you won't see the button any more.
JMann [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [98] But the browser is still using the compatibility mode, I can still see the icon beside the address, how do I get rid of that mode, I tried the F12, but it does nothing at all
A: You can right click on the Chrome and remove the Compatibility View Button. There is also Group Policy support for this option.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [100] The following release of RC1. Will the RC1 will be the current state of your develepoment or the old Partner Build (About IE says at "Updateversion", "Release Canidate 1"WINKING SMILEY ;)?
A: the next public release will be updated since the old partner build
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [99] Is "complexify" really a word? If not, I kinda like it. Gonna stroke my beard for emphasis when I use it, though, definitely.
A: Heck yeah. My mother was a straight-A English major in college. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/complexify. But I did stroke my Evil Chris beard for emphasis just now.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [104] Is there any chance of making deleting cached files quicker to get at? Like an option right off the tools menu?
A: in IE8 there's a 'Safety' menu next to 'Tools' and the first option is 'delete browsing history'. you can also press CTRL+SHIFT+DEL
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [94] RE : (7) Ok, I'll look at this when I return to my Seven to confirm. I was thinking it was by design first time I saw it. Be sure if I can confirm the bug I'll post it to Connect.
A: Note: Windows 7 has pre IE8 PR1 bits in it.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [106] Does that means you're even bigger and meaner looking than when I saw you, Chris? SMILEY :)
A: No bigger, just as mean. But even more Silky Smooth!
Travis [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [102] Did you fix the delays with the download complete-message?
A: I haven't notices this being slow in recent builds. What OS are you running on?
Jane [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [101] @17: This cookie persistence issue, does it affect non-persistent cookies?
A: There are known cookie persistence issues that we are addressing in the next IE8 release. We believe the changes will apply to non-persistent cookies as well.
Chris Wilson [MS] (Expert):
Q: [103] Wouldn't it be easier to build a browser without the compatibility mode, which is basically useless, all the other browser do not have any compatibility mode and they work perfectly
A: Actually, no they don't - they cause compatibility problems, particularly in intranet and corporate environments.
Jane [MSFT] (Expert)]:
Q: RE: Q17 Thanks, Jane. I opened a feedback on Connect with my experiences (plus a link to an automated test page for my cookie problems). Number 392032. The source code for the test page is attached as well.
A: Thanks. We'll take a look.
Frank [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [87] Re: Q73 - That’s fine! init add-ons for the next page... but NOT for blank, what happens is you get a URL (clipboard) you want to view it... in a new tab, so you type [CTRL]+[T] then [CTRL]+[V] to paste it, and IT DOES NOT WORK. its a major usability issue.
A: Ah - that sounds like a known issue (the ctrl+t and ctrl+v key sequence does not work as well as it should - a regression from an earlier builds.) We're working on it.
JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert):
Q: [45] (5) My first non-JS question is about freezing, too : If a page freezes, will we be able to go to another tab in IE 8 ? It's very frustrating otherly... Note that when you've the problem, you can go out to buy a donut to make waiting easier :D
A: this is another good architectural change that would improve reliability. thanks for the suggestion!
Daniel (Moderator):
Well we're out of time for today's chat. Thank you very much to all of our guests who joined us today as well as to our Internet Explorer Experts for answering questions for us-- have a great day everyone!
Allison [MSFT] (Expert):
Thanks everyone!
Harel Williams[MSFT] (Moderator):
Thanks for coming guys! We'll see you again soon! (H)
JP [msft] (Expert):
Have a good day guys. <JP has left the room>
Tony [MSFT] (Expert):
Thanks everyone! Have a good day!
